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25. Only in war zones?

Wed May 9, 2012, 03:55 PM

May 2012

Wow, I must have missed the declaration of war against Yemen. And Pakistan. And The Phillippines. You'd think something that important would have been in the papers or something. Maybe war zones are automatically created wherever one of our missiles happens to obliterate a bunch of people? That would be really convenient, and totally in keeping with our hallowed principles of necessity, distinction and proportionality. I'll grant you it's not quite as catchy as "separation of powers" or "due process," but this year's fashion is just so in! Everybody loves it.

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A hypothetical question for anyone who supports the use of drones/summary executions [View all] Zalatix May 2012 OP

the current drone using crowd is NOT "a future Republican administration". so don't blame repubs nt msongs May 2012 #1

Republicans will use drones far more often though. Zalatix May 2012 #2

comparison of 3 years Angry Dragon May 2012 #3

You may see thousands of drone strikes during a GOP Administration. Zalatix May 2012 #4

I do not support the use of drones/summary executions Angry Dragon May 2012 #5

Well, hell, thumbs up! +100! Zalatix May 2012 #11

You may or may not be correct in your assessment, but the facts are what they are. bighart May 2012 #112

Well, since summary executions via drones is bullshit, that hasn't happened, I'll play. boppers May 2012 #6

Not sure what you mean. Are you saying it's okay to do it in warzones Zalatix May 2012 #7

We kill in warzones for absurd reasons. boppers May 2012 #8

Then perhaps "hell no!" is unclear to you. Zalatix May 2012 #9

Both parties in play favor summary executions. boppers May 2012 #12

If we are at war with these nations then the USA is also a "warzone".. Fumesucker May 2012 #10

LOL well said. Zalatix May 2012 #13

That's mighty binary of you. boppers May 2012 #14

My mistake, I thought you were talking about armed hostilities, not stupid rhetoric.. Fumesucker May 2012 #15

No, I'm 40. boppers May 2012 #16

If they were so secret then how did you know about them? Fumesucker May 2012 #17

I've been in interesting places and held interesting jobs. boppers May 2012 #87

... Fumesucker May 2012 #89

Indeed. boppers May 2012 #92

I don't doubt that there were experimental ultra top secret drones 25 years ago.. Fumesucker May 2012 #94

Ft. Huachucha was a proving ground for a lot of things. boppers May 2012 #99

You know, it is kind of funny that you never answered the question in the OP Zalatix May 2012 #18

Only in war zones? gratuitous May 2012 #25

You did miss it. The Authorization for Use of Military Force was passed Sept 18, 2001 hack89 May 2012 #35

"Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution" gratuitous May 2012 #41

Beats me. Why don't you ask the President - he's a lawyer. nt hack89 May 2012 #45

Victory is mine gratuitous May 2012 #47

Does that mean the drone attacks will stop now? hack89 May 2012 #48

No, but they're still illegal gratuitous May 2012 #51

Those would be the House and Senate committees that are regularly briefed. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #50

Well whatchamacallit May 2012 #26

No, it has not 'only happened in war zones'. Unless we have declared war on sabrina 1 May 2012 #27

"but 9/11..." whatchamacallit May 2012 #29

Actually we did hack89 May 2012 #36

And Democrats on DU supported that? I don't recall a single Democrat at the time sabrina 1 May 2012 #40

One No vote total between the Senate and House hack89 May 2012 #42

And there was much more debate following the passage of that resolution with many sabrina 1 May 2012 #52

We've only killed a few terrorists disguised as children. Hope I don't coalition_unwilling May 2012 #43

Are you calling Americans fuckwads? MattBaggins May 2012 #65

Huh, thanks for pointing that perspective out. boppers May 2012 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit May 2012 #83

Then give me an alternative. jeff47 May 2012 #19

Yes, and killing people without evidence is also failing. Zalatix May 2012 #22

Not posting the evidence publicly is not the same as not having evidence. jeff47 May 2012 #24

I guess it all hinges on what you believe whatchamacallit May 2012 #32

Ignoring 9/11, "not playing" still results in attacks jeff47 May 2012 #55

Okay this conversation is over until you give a solid answer to my OP. Zalatix May 2012 #70

You got your answer. jeff47 May 2012 #105

Well, we've been killing and torturing people for over ten years now, and still we are told, sabrina 1 May 2012 #31

I'm asking for an alternative. Not a lecture. jeff47 May 2012 #57

Welcome to the Bizarro World of American "Justice" whatchamacallit May 2012 #60

THANK YOU. woo me with science May 2012 #84

We have met the enemy and he is us whatchamacallit May 2012 #93

Way to not read what I was saying jeff47 May 2012 #108

Of course you managed to ignore whatchamacallit May 2012 #116

No, I fully acknowledge them. jeff47 May 2012 #120

News flash... Zalatix May 2012 #96

And how many liberals should be executed to prevent that? jeff47 May 2012 #109

Why do you think they hate us? Why are ME terrorists not blowing people up in Iceland sabrina 1 May 2012 #98

+Graham's Number whatchamacallit May 2012 #101

"There is history that many Americans choose not to know." Mariana May 2012 #102

Oh, we definitely caused the hatred that lead to the attacks jeff47 May 2012 #113

+100000 nt woo me with science May 2012 #103

Today isn't 1953. jeff47 May 2012 #111

You think we 'did nothing' since 1953? sabrina 1 May 2012 #115

No, 1953 is when we started fucking things up. jeff47 May 2012 #119

Abraham Lincoln said, "The best way to get rid of an enemy is to make him coalition_unwilling May 2012 #46

How, exactly, do you propose we make friends with al Queda? jeff47 May 2012 #56

Your squeamishness about 'concessions' to terrorists doesn't seem to be shared by coalition_unwilling May 2012 #68

The Taliban aren't al Queda. jeff47 May 2012 #107

The US has made "friends" with al Queda- more than once - not for particularly good reasons sad sally May 2012 #80

Ouch, you just made one argument explode... Zalatix May 2012 #97

At that time, they weren't attacking us. jeff47 May 2012 #106

What's the difference between a drone and a flight of B-17s over industrial cities? Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #20

That's actually the perfect question for this OP. Robb May 2012 #21

Let's trade. You answer my question first Zalatix May 2012 #23

The OP is so flawed as to be unanswerable. I reject the premise on several points Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #30

Your comprehension of my OP is flawed. For one, Zalatix May 2012 #69

That is the point that never gets answered. Civilians always die in military actions, ALWAYS. stevenleser May 2012 #38

Always. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #44

I will answer. Bonobo May 2012 #100

Who has supported summary executions? treestar May 2012 #28

"We have to fight them there...." Isn't that the excuse the murderers are using? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #33

Obama is a murderer? n/t Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #34

Opinions differ. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #37

Seeing as the guys guiding the missiles are acting on Obama's orders Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #39

Whatever you think appropriate. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #58

This may come as a shock to you but the CIA is not randomly choosing Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #59

Word games? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #61

I see you keep shifting away from the obvious Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #104

Do you accept killing civilians in a lost war? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #114

Emphatic K&R. Not a proponent of extra-judicial punishment of any sort, nor of coalition_unwilling May 2012 #49

No one here is. It is a straw man. nt stevenleser May 2012 #53

Thank you, you totally get it. Zalatix May 2012 #72

I live in the States. They won't need a drone to come and get me. MrSlayer May 2012 #54

Not going to bomb a row house in Philly? Fumesucker May 2012 #63

Not the same thing at all. MrSlayer May 2012 #73

That's true... Fumesucker May 2012 #74

Because the M.O.V.E. people soaked the rooftops in gasoline. MrSlayer May 2012 #77

Wikipedia doesn't mention anything about anyone soaking rooftops in gasoline.. Fumesucker May 2012 #82

Was wiki there? No. MrSlayer May 2012 #85

How do you know someone who wrote the Wiki article wasn't there? Fumesucker May 2012 #91

Do you have any proof of them soaking the rooftops in gasoline Zalatix May 2012 #90

A drone strike because of mistaken identity Life Long Dem May 2012 #62

I'll look for the drone strike right after the black helicopter takes me to the FEMA camp. nt msanthrope May 2012 #64

The civil war had many summary executions, and I don't see many complaints about them. ZombieHorde May 2012 #66

So, morality and ethics are relative to the popularity of the conflict? whatchamacallit May 2012 #67

I have a very strong feeling we have two very different interpretations of my civil war post. ZombieHorde May 2012 #78

Answering a question with a question? Zalatix May 2012 #71

I would push the botton, but I don't expect a consitutional admendment to ZombieHorde May 2012 #79

And I say summary executions were wrong during the Civil War, too. Zalatix May 2012 #88

Drones arent the problem. cstanleytech May 2012 #75

Given the absurdity of the question, I don't tgink I will have to pushb the bluestate10 May 2012 #76

If the hands of time could go back and there had been an actual debate on the use of drones to sad sally May 2012 #81

"a Constitutional amendment occurs to forbid summary executions." JVS May 2012 #95

Yup, both the 5th and 14th amendments are supposed to prohibit summary executions Art_from_Ark May 2012 #118

Tell that to the two U.S. citizens killed in Yemen. One of whom was a child. Zalatix May 2012 #122

Notice I said "supposed to" Art_from_Ark May 2012 #123

I know, sorry that came off as pointed at you. Zalatix May 2012 #124

Drones kill, but they terrorize too, like the V-2 in WWII and bombing Hanoi in Vietnam... Sancho May 2012 #110

10 times as many future enemies, indeed. That's another big problem here. Zalatix May 2012 #117

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