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Zalatix

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117. 10 times as many future enemies, indeed. That's another big problem here.

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A hypothetical question for anyone who supports the use of drones/summary executions [View all] Zalatix May 2012 OP

the current drone using crowd is NOT "a future Republican administration". so don't blame repubs nt msongs May 2012 #1

Republicans will use drones far more often though. Zalatix May 2012 #2

comparison of 3 years Angry Dragon May 2012 #3

You may see thousands of drone strikes during a GOP Administration. Zalatix May 2012 #4

I do not support the use of drones/summary executions Angry Dragon May 2012 #5

Well, hell, thumbs up! +100! Zalatix May 2012 #11

You may or may not be correct in your assessment, but the facts are what they are. bighart May 2012 #112

Well, since summary executions via drones is bullshit, that hasn't happened, I'll play. boppers May 2012 #6

Not sure what you mean. Are you saying it's okay to do it in warzones Zalatix May 2012 #7

We kill in warzones for absurd reasons. boppers May 2012 #8

Then perhaps "hell no!" is unclear to you. Zalatix May 2012 #9

Both parties in play favor summary executions. boppers May 2012 #12

If we are at war with these nations then the USA is also a "warzone".. Fumesucker May 2012 #10

LOL well said. Zalatix May 2012 #13

That's mighty binary of you. boppers May 2012 #14

My mistake, I thought you were talking about armed hostilities, not stupid rhetoric.. Fumesucker May 2012 #15

No, I'm 40. boppers May 2012 #16

If they were so secret then how did you know about them? Fumesucker May 2012 #17

I've been in interesting places and held interesting jobs. boppers May 2012 #87

... Fumesucker May 2012 #89

Indeed. boppers May 2012 #92

I don't doubt that there were experimental ultra top secret drones 25 years ago.. Fumesucker May 2012 #94

Ft. Huachucha was a proving ground for a lot of things. boppers May 2012 #99

You know, it is kind of funny that you never answered the question in the OP Zalatix May 2012 #18

Only in war zones? gratuitous May 2012 #25

You did miss it. The Authorization for Use of Military Force was passed Sept 18, 2001 hack89 May 2012 #35

"Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution" gratuitous May 2012 #41

Beats me. Why don't you ask the President - he's a lawyer. nt hack89 May 2012 #45

Victory is mine gratuitous May 2012 #47

Does that mean the drone attacks will stop now? hack89 May 2012 #48

No, but they're still illegal gratuitous May 2012 #51

Those would be the House and Senate committees that are regularly briefed. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #50

Well whatchamacallit May 2012 #26

No, it has not 'only happened in war zones'. Unless we have declared war on sabrina 1 May 2012 #27

"but 9/11..." whatchamacallit May 2012 #29

Actually we did hack89 May 2012 #36

And Democrats on DU supported that? I don't recall a single Democrat at the time sabrina 1 May 2012 #40

One No vote total between the Senate and House hack89 May 2012 #42

And there was much more debate following the passage of that resolution with many sabrina 1 May 2012 #52

We've only killed a few terrorists disguised as children. Hope I don't coalition_unwilling May 2012 #43

Are you calling Americans fuckwads? MattBaggins May 2012 #65

Huh, thanks for pointing that perspective out. boppers May 2012 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit May 2012 #83

Then give me an alternative. jeff47 May 2012 #19

Yes, and killing people without evidence is also failing. Zalatix May 2012 #22

Not posting the evidence publicly is not the same as not having evidence. jeff47 May 2012 #24

I guess it all hinges on what you believe whatchamacallit May 2012 #32

Ignoring 9/11, "not playing" still results in attacks jeff47 May 2012 #55

Okay this conversation is over until you give a solid answer to my OP. Zalatix May 2012 #70

You got your answer. jeff47 May 2012 #105

Well, we've been killing and torturing people for over ten years now, and still we are told, sabrina 1 May 2012 #31

I'm asking for an alternative. Not a lecture. jeff47 May 2012 #57

Welcome to the Bizarro World of American "Justice" whatchamacallit May 2012 #60

THANK YOU. woo me with science May 2012 #84

We have met the enemy and he is us whatchamacallit May 2012 #93

Way to not read what I was saying jeff47 May 2012 #108

Of course you managed to ignore whatchamacallit May 2012 #116

No, I fully acknowledge them. jeff47 May 2012 #120

News flash... Zalatix May 2012 #96

And how many liberals should be executed to prevent that? jeff47 May 2012 #109

Why do you think they hate us? Why are ME terrorists not blowing people up in Iceland sabrina 1 May 2012 #98

+Graham's Number whatchamacallit May 2012 #101

"There is history that many Americans choose not to know." Mariana May 2012 #102

Oh, we definitely caused the hatred that lead to the attacks jeff47 May 2012 #113

+100000 nt woo me with science May 2012 #103

Today isn't 1953. jeff47 May 2012 #111

You think we 'did nothing' since 1953? sabrina 1 May 2012 #115

No, 1953 is when we started fucking things up. jeff47 May 2012 #119

Abraham Lincoln said, "The best way to get rid of an enemy is to make him coalition_unwilling May 2012 #46

How, exactly, do you propose we make friends with al Queda? jeff47 May 2012 #56

Your squeamishness about 'concessions' to terrorists doesn't seem to be shared by coalition_unwilling May 2012 #68

The Taliban aren't al Queda. jeff47 May 2012 #107

The US has made "friends" with al Queda- more than once - not for particularly good reasons sad sally May 2012 #80

Ouch, you just made one argument explode... Zalatix May 2012 #97

At that time, they weren't attacking us. jeff47 May 2012 #106

What's the difference between a drone and a flight of B-17s over industrial cities? Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #20

That's actually the perfect question for this OP. Robb May 2012 #21

Let's trade. You answer my question first Zalatix May 2012 #23

The OP is so flawed as to be unanswerable. I reject the premise on several points Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #30

Your comprehension of my OP is flawed. For one, Zalatix May 2012 #69

That is the point that never gets answered. Civilians always die in military actions, ALWAYS. stevenleser May 2012 #38

Always. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #44

I will answer. Bonobo May 2012 #100

Who has supported summary executions? treestar May 2012 #28

"We have to fight them there...." Isn't that the excuse the murderers are using? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #33

Obama is a murderer? n/t Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #34

Opinions differ. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #37

Seeing as the guys guiding the missiles are acting on Obama's orders Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #39

Whatever you think appropriate. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #58

This may come as a shock to you but the CIA is not randomly choosing Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #59

Word games? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #61

I see you keep shifting away from the obvious Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #104

Do you accept killing civilians in a lost war? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #114

Emphatic K&R. Not a proponent of extra-judicial punishment of any sort, nor of coalition_unwilling May 2012 #49

No one here is. It is a straw man. nt stevenleser May 2012 #53

Thank you, you totally get it. Zalatix May 2012 #72

I live in the States. They won't need a drone to come and get me. MrSlayer May 2012 #54

Not going to bomb a row house in Philly? Fumesucker May 2012 #63

Not the same thing at all. MrSlayer May 2012 #73

That's true... Fumesucker May 2012 #74

Because the M.O.V.E. people soaked the rooftops in gasoline. MrSlayer May 2012 #77

Wikipedia doesn't mention anything about anyone soaking rooftops in gasoline.. Fumesucker May 2012 #82

Was wiki there? No. MrSlayer May 2012 #85

How do you know someone who wrote the Wiki article wasn't there? Fumesucker May 2012 #91

Do you have any proof of them soaking the rooftops in gasoline Zalatix May 2012 #90

A drone strike because of mistaken identity Life Long Dem May 2012 #62

I'll look for the drone strike right after the black helicopter takes me to the FEMA camp. nt msanthrope May 2012 #64

The civil war had many summary executions, and I don't see many complaints about them. ZombieHorde May 2012 #66

So, morality and ethics are relative to the popularity of the conflict? whatchamacallit May 2012 #67

I have a very strong feeling we have two very different interpretations of my civil war post. ZombieHorde May 2012 #78

Answering a question with a question? Zalatix May 2012 #71

I would push the botton, but I don't expect a consitutional admendment to ZombieHorde May 2012 #79

And I say summary executions were wrong during the Civil War, too. Zalatix May 2012 #88

Drones arent the problem. cstanleytech May 2012 #75

Given the absurdity of the question, I don't tgink I will have to pushb the bluestate10 May 2012 #76

If the hands of time could go back and there had been an actual debate on the use of drones to sad sally May 2012 #81

"a Constitutional amendment occurs to forbid summary executions." JVS May 2012 #95

Yup, both the 5th and 14th amendments are supposed to prohibit summary executions Art_from_Ark May 2012 #118

Tell that to the two U.S. citizens killed in Yemen. One of whom was a child. Zalatix May 2012 #122

Notice I said "supposed to" Art_from_Ark May 2012 #123

I know, sorry that came off as pointed at you. Zalatix May 2012 #124

Drones kill, but they terrorize too, like the V-2 in WWII and bombing Hanoi in Vietnam... Sancho May 2012 #110

10 times as many future enemies, indeed. That's another big problem here. Zalatix May 2012 #117

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