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Orsino

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118. The Clinton dynasty is already established...

Sun May 31, 2015, 01:58 PM

May 2015

...having given Hillary two or three legs up into a Senate seat, into State, and now making her the nominee-presumptive for 2016. Hell, we've had DUers say they're eager to vote for Chelsea.

Yes, it's a dynasty, and no matter how fine a candidate or president Sec. Clinton would make, dynasties are inherently bad. They make candidates who don't have to try.

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In case you missed it in his speech: O'Malley took the gloves off and hit Hillary where it hurts [View all] bigtree May 2015 OP

He should have left the gloves on lest he end up like the poor fella rolling around on the canvass. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #1

Way to address the substance of the issue! RufusTFirefly May 2015 #6

Iron Mike addressed Trevor Berbick's issues within six or so minutes. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #16

"St. Hillary"? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #155

LOL, I am not sure any of your posts are really helping Hillary. nt Logical May 2015 #7

LOL, If i thought my advocacy For St. Hillary here is of any moment I would put a cap im my own ear. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #9

he's not going to pull any punches in this primary bigtree May 2015 #10

Bookmark this post. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #12

oh never underestimate her talent at being her own cali May 2015 #23

Exactly JonLP24 Jun 2015 #173

Hillary lost a 30 point lead in 2008! Don't sell her short! nt Logical May 2015 #39

Did they repeal the 22nd Amendment? /NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #42

OK, you are blaming Obama for her loss. Not her weak support. I see where you are confused. nt Logical May 2015 #48

She received nearly 50% of primary votes against a political phenom. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #53

Wait, from what I read back in '08 and again lately I thought Hillary was the phenom. A Simple Game May 2015 #60

The little known first term senator DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #69

And was given a snowball's chance in hell against the Juggernaut that was Hillary. A Simple Game May 2015 #96

A lot of pundits identified Barack Obama as a rising star. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #98

And I have to agree with your header, he was considered a rising star. A Simple Game May 2015 #101

And he was Black rock May 2015 #100

Once he won IA and demonstrated his crossover appeal... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #105

if that was the case Sharpton would have done a bit better than he did JI7 May 2015 #127

Black AND Handsome rock May 2015 #129

i would say his personality and amazing political talent , but yes, there was excitement JI7 May 2015 #133

You're giving President Obama way too little credit. Cha Jun 2015 #159

How so Cha? rock Jun 2015 #166

He and his team were smart in their primary campaign.. they knew the rules.. eyes on the prize and Cha Jun 2015 #169

Well now, you got me there rock Jun 2015 #171

Mahalo, rock.. and when he won he chose Hillary for SOS.. Cha Jun 2015 #172

The term is 'crediting Obama' and O'Malley geek tragedy May 2015 #72

Why do people ignore that fact? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #75

You're already breaking one rule of winning... Ghost in the Machine May 2015 #92

I addressed your point in Post 53.... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #97

Do you offer to meet them on the Metro? U4ikLefty May 2015 #142

I don't think he is meant to beat Hillary. zeemike May 2015 #111

I have a feeling, knowning your posting history, you made a similar 'call'... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #149

You would be sorely mistaken. I had more respect for Barack Obama. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #150

Amen. Hillary 2016 Laser102 Jun 2015 #165

Would be nice if you'd post this as an OP Duppers May 2015 #73

here it is bigtree May 2015 #77

Thank you! Duppers May 2015 #80

When I consider the national polls this board appears to be irrelevant. olegramps May 2015 #93

^^^ concise and accurate description. erronis May 2015 #99

All I can tell you is that DU is not a proxy for the nation. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #102

Indeed - we need our own version of the "Eleventh Commandment." calimary Jun 2015 #156

This is not a very good argument Scootaloo Jun 2015 #158

I am emchanted to be the recipent of such superior logic. olegramps Jun 2015 #175

...and he stated that those numbers are subject to change. Maedhros Jun 2015 #177

Please do not confuse "working to defeat Hillary in the primary" Maedhros Jun 2015 #176

You haven't seen any posts saying that they would sit out the election? olegramps Jun 2015 #179

Will not vote PERIOD, or will not vote for Hillary? Maedhros Jun 2015 #181

You might as well say that you are not voting. olegramps Jun 2015 #182

I will not be bullied into surrending my vote to a candidate I don't believe in.[n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #183

You are going to really know about bullied if a Republican President is elected. olegramps Jun 2015 #184

The protection-racket approach to campaigning just doesn't do it for me. Maedhros Jun 2015 #185

The Romans had a phrase for this : cheapdate Jun 2015 #188

K&R. n/t FSogol May 2015 #2

this Martin O'Malley? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #3

Looky there. Charts Autumn May 2015 #5

I don't get it, they all look the same to me. NYC_SKP May 2015 #13

I've noticed that Sanders's fans don't like being challenged on the notion... Buzz Clik May 2015 #17

nah, I see o'malley as a progressive cali May 2015 #26

Your insights have been noted for years. Buzz Clik May 2015 #36

Never mind those stupid charts, I'll get to the bottom of this as soon as I get back from the attic. A Simple Game May 2015 #67

I'm a host there but all of my awesome Hillary Smack Downs are posted in GD. NYC_SKP May 2015 #32

Yeah, and you ban everyone who steps into the hallowed ground. Buzz Clik May 2015 #34

I haven't blocked anyone. And, TBH, I don't support some of the blocks. NYC_SKP May 2015 #51

You and I have never crossed swords before, NYC_SKP, but I will tell you... Buzz Clik May 2015 #63

This post would have been better used as retraction and apology for your post #34. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #84

That will happen when hell freezes over. Buzz Clik May 2015 #85

"Yeah, and you ban everyone who steps into the hallowed ground." cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #91

I post an opinion, you call it bullshit and demand an apology? Yeah, there's a fantasy for you. Buzz Clik May 2015 #117

"you ban eeveryone" ain't an opinion; it's a claim. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #123

For the love of God Buzz Clik May 2015 #124

I like O'Malley and so far he is my second choice. Far as I can see, a vast majority of DUers sabrina 1 May 2015 #40

I love that picture! And, yes, we aren't ashamed of our choices. NYC_SKP May 2015 #50

"so why would his supporters 'retreat' anywhere". But they have their own group... Buzz Clik May 2015 #64

So should Hillary and O'Malley supporters retreat to their 'own groups' also? Lol! sabrina 1 May 2015 #78

I was referring to the complaints about being challenged in GD. Buzz Clik May 2015 #81

Who's complaining? I WILL debunk any lies told, not just about my Candidate, but about any of them sabrina 1 May 2015 #112

At no time in this thread did I direct a comment to you. Buzz Clik May 2015 #115

That is an AWESOME pic!!! cui bono May 2015 #128

This is absolutely true... Springslips May 2015 #44

These types of things are great for manipulating low knowledge/information voters. FlatBaroque May 2015 #58

regarding these charts: Raine1967 May 2015 #79

On the charts, no explanation is provided for how they are generated. NYC_SKP May 2015 #94

Thank you, NYC_SKP. Raine1967 May 2015 #113

IIRC, that site takes what politicians *say*, as in their *campaigns*, but does nothing to examine cui bono May 2015 #130

Looky! Charts that challenge the Sanders's crowd notion that Bernie is the only lib in the group. Buzz Clik May 2015 #14

Bernie? Which one is he in that unlabeled mix? CandyLand is much better. Autumn May 2015 #20

Yeah, ignorant comments are so funny. Buzz Clik May 2015 #25

No the entire country is not laughing at Sanders. Which chart was he again? Autumn May 2015 #29

bwahaha. you chiding anyone about ignorance cali May 2015 #30

And here comes cali! Right on cue. How are you! I missed you SO much. Buzz Clik May 2015 #33

Yeah, Bernie trolls are getting big bucks, you bet. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #54

... And there would have been a time that I wouldn't have needed it either. Buzz Clik May 2015 #59

Cali isn't working near as hard as you are in this comedy of a thread. bvar22 May 2015 #119

I really don't think we have to go there... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #35

I fully agree, but the Sanders crowd have been relentless in pounding on Clinton... Buzz Clik May 2015 #37

I know people hate Vanilla Rhapsody's charts... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #41

"I do believe there is a lot more daylight between Bernie and Hillary... " agreed, but... Buzz Clik May 2015 #43

My concerns are kitchen table issues DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #49

And I suspect your kitchen table issues ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #65

YOU bring Sanders up in a thread about O'Malley Autumn May 2015 #45

Gee ... what could make me think you are a Sanders fan. What could it be? Buzz Clik May 2015 #47

So as a Sanders 'fan" I can't comment on another Democrat running for President? Autumn May 2015 #52

I like Sanders and O'Malley... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #82

I don't like bashing Democrats but I do like discussing Democratic candidates. Autumn May 2015 #131

Crowd? I had no idea that there were Jackpine Radical May 2015 #61

We are a crowd, and a crowd that's getting bigger all the time. Autumn May 2015 #132

Lib? Thanks for that. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #186

Charts LOL Robbins May 2015 #15

" i don't know how any can call Obama a democrat anymore." Of course you can't. Buzz Clik May 2015 #22

You are a grown man or woman so I can't tell you what to do... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #8

I agree with you....but I am not trying to prove a point to them necessarily.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #11

Holding up empirical evidence to some folks is like holding up a cross to a vampire./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #19

Yeah....they hiss and wrap themselves in their capes! VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #21

It really is sad and they get outraged when you refuse to engage them in a serious discussion. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #28

We don't have capes my friend. Neither do we hiss. Autumn Jun 2015 #187

Results: R B Garr May 2015 #83

Resolved @11:01; I'd LOVE to know what time the alert was sent... cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #89

Thanks for posting that. Looks like a couple of jurors are hip to some things around here Number23 May 2015 #136

+1 ... So true ... So true. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #66

Where are those charts from? Fiendish Thingy May 2015 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #86

that didn't last long neverforget May 2015 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #114

Now *that's* a chart I can get behind! cui bono May 2015 #135

facts suck uponit7771 May 2015 #154

Yes he did. elleng May 2015 #4

I don't think that's where it hurts. Orsino May 2015 #18

Actually no Bernie Supporter... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #24

who is pro Death Penalty? Why Hillary is a "strong advocate" for the DP cali May 2015 #141

Yeah, so far to the right of Hillary he came out against TPP, and Hillary can't make her mind up snooper2 Jun 2015 #180

What "dynasty" are you talking about? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #74

The Clinton dynasty is already established... Orsino May 2015 #118

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #122

Hillary will hit OMalley where it hurts workinclasszero May 2015 #27

We need more folks like you. My pops had all of a ninth grade education. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #31

Sure... kenfrequed May 2015 #38

um, Sanders has both spoken highly of Hillary, personally (as has O'Malley) bigtree May 2015 #68

Interesting reactions to Gov. O'Malley entering the race by some Peacetrain May 2015 #46

I'm already unimpressed treestar May 2015 #55

Exactly.. not after losing in 2008 and 4 years as SOS... she's working her way back. I still Cha Jun 2015 #161

That was the only line of his Announcement speech ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #56

That stings... Jesus Malverde May 2015 #57

great line heaven05 May 2015 #103

. geek tragedy May 2015 #70

eight years ago, many folks here with different choices this election expressed support for Clinton bigtree May 2015 #76

Charts! Charts! We've all got charts! RufusTFirefly May 2015 #71

Interesting. How will he position himself relative to Bernie? polichick May 2015 #87

I would highlight his experience in actually enacting the things he's advocated for bigtree May 2015 #104

Here we go again, 2008 all over. Faygo Kid May 2015 #88

possible second choice heaven05 May 2015 #90

Blankfein would be just fine Depaysement May 2015 #95

Why would anyone want to hurt a fellow Democrat? cutroot May 2015 #106

good stonecutter357 May 2015 #107

excellent hit! O'Malley can pack a punch & that's good wordpix May 2015 #109

His announcement speech was fuzzy, bland, and instantly forgettable. cheapdate May 2015 #110

like saying Hillary 'hustles money' bigtree May 2015 #116

I'm aware of that, and I was aware of it when I wrote it. cheapdate May 2015 #121

Then there's this -- cheapdate May 2015 #125

What I need to know... Koinos May 2015 #126

I don't know. cheapdate May 2015 #143

Not in my opinion. Koinos May 2015 #144

We'll just have to disagree. cheapdate May 2015 #145

Most people don't know O'Malley -- yet. Koinos Jun 2015 #170

it's clear that you favor Sanders here bigtree May 2015 #146

Yes, Sanders is not immune, a fact which I recognized, for Pete's sake. cheapdate May 2015 #151

Oh, Zing at Bernie from O'Malley! Cheap shot or not? Cha Jun 2015 #160

Cheap shot. cheapdate Jun 2015 #168

I didn't miss it... Kalidurga May 2015 #120

Meh. Same ole, same ole.n/t Lil Missy May 2015 #134

Same ole truth. n/t whatchamacallit May 2015 #138

Good, sing it from the mountaintops whatchamacallit May 2015 #137

zzzzzwap bam zok pow kapow biff pam thunk whamm boomffff L0oniX May 2015 #139

I am a strong Bernie supporte hifiguy May 2015 #140

Here's what I thought was hilarious - SusanCalvin May 2015 #147

I think that Elizabeth Warren would not have been "fine" with him. Koinos May 2015 #152

I'm not fine with him either, of course. SusanCalvin May 2015 #153

O'Malley has been impressive so far. Keep it up. nt Joe the Revelator May 2015 #148

Oh, the "dynasty" trope? Disgusting sexism, and I'm surprised to see it from a self-styled NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #157

Precisely, NYC Liberal.. good analysis. She is not her husband Bill. It's too lazy an attack. Cha Jun 2015 #163

He sort of reminds me of Howard Dean loyalsister Jun 2015 #162

Gov O'Malley zings Bernie, too.. Cha Jun 2015 #164

Good for you, Mr. O'Malley bigwillq Jun 2015 #167

Cheap shot by a demagogue. Nitram Jun 2015 #174

I imagine if it did indeed hurt, a major shift in the polls will be evident. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #178