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pampango

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17. Only in the sense that the EU Charter and the US Constitution were 'free trade agreements'.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jun 2015

They both introduced 'free trade' between states/colonies/countries which previously did not have it. Of course, both involved much, much more than just 'free trade' so the trade aspect was fairly minor compared to everything else. The backers of the Articles of Confederation were concerned with state sovereignty over trade and other matters, so we tried that before we adopted the Constitution with its 'free trade'. We don't think twice now about 'free trade' between Pennsylvania and Virginia but before the Constitution, it was a contentious issue.

One catch with the 'partnership agreements' like the EU and US is the enforcement mechanism for interstate/international disputes that goes with it. Some on the right are still fighting our own federal government when it enforces national legislation that some - usually conservative - states don't like. That was an even stronger argument in the early days of our country which is why we tried the Articles of Confederation first. The 'state sovereignty' was strong back in the day and it is an argument that will apparently never go away. Likewise in Europe, it is the right that is still fighting the role of the EU, preferring the good ol' days of supreme state sovereignty.

One question with the TPP is whether you can do today what the US did 225 years ago and what Europe did 50 years ago. Are corporations too strong? Are liberals too weak? Is international cooperation to deal with global problems - climate change, trade, repression, labor rights, human rights, refugees, etc. - a discredited mechanism in the eyes of the left and the right anymore? Maybe the FDR era of international organizations and agreements has waned and we have moved into more of a "You deal with your problems and we'll deal with our problems" frame of mind.

agreed. "Corporate Rights" agreement. also "Corporate Welfare" magical thyme Jun 2015 #1
It totally sucks Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #3
The big problem with this article is that it picks bad examples: DanTex Jun 2015 #2
No, it is not. rogerashton Jun 2015 #8
First of all, no, those aren't examples of free movement of capital. DanTex Jun 2015 #9
You said rogerashton Jun 2015 #10
I said "Allowing American companies to move jobs/production". DanTex Jun 2015 #12
Keep fudging. rogerashton Jun 2015 #13
How am I "fudging"? DanTex Jun 2015 #15
In the theory of international trade, rogerashton Jun 2015 #18
Yes, that's the macroeconomic definition of capital, and while it is used that way in DanTex Jun 2015 #19
You are getting a little frantic, here. rogerashton Jun 2015 #23
Frantic, what? This doesn't need to get personal, does it? DanTex Jun 2015 #24
K&R 99Forever Jun 2015 #4
So you have read something that doesn't even exist yet? Seer? Cryptoad Jun 2015 #5
1. enough has been leaked for us to see it's no good. The ISDS chapter alone is enough. magical thyme Jun 2015 #6
80% of the GDP covered by the TPP is already covered by "free trade" agreements. jeff47 Jun 2015 #11
It's a transference of power from nation states to corporations. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #7
Exactly, but those that worship money are blind to the harm it will do. Rex Jun 2015 #14
"Free trade" is actually privatize profits - socialize costs/losses... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #20
Basically its the crowing of corporations d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #16
Only in the sense that the EU Charter and the US Constitution were 'free trade agreements'. pampango Jun 2015 #17
This works in the US because we Are ONE nation, tpp involves many sovereign nations with Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #21
The EU is composed of many nations but it was created along "FDR" principles - strong unions, pampango Jun 2015 #22
The EU generally lifted all boats. The TPP is created only to lift the yachts of the rich... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #25
Do we export anything anymore? xfundy Jun 2015 #26
Bombs, guns, mortars, tanks, and factory equipment once used here Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #28
Accordling to Wikipedia the type is trade agreement Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #27
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