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59. Attacked a week ago for not being populist enough, attacked this week for 'faking' populism?

Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:37 AM

Jun 2015

The Clintons have seen this dull and boring routine so many times before, no doubt they do not even want to be informed of this new and freshly reeking B.S. loaded into the B.S. catapult.

Attack the messenger.....ad hominems....BEGIN!

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Don't Believe the Hype: Candidate Clinton's Sudden Populism [View all] WilliamPitt Jun 2015 OP

Too bad she is the Democratic front runner, eh? leftofcool Jun 2015 #1

She was the front runner a year out before too. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #3

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You actually signed on just for this unwitty remark? hobbit709 Jun 2015 #186

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Oddest sig line I've ever seen. WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #4

I have no doubt you think so. leftofcool Jun 2015 #12

It's especially odd since so many here claim that her opinions as Sec. State were not her own morningfog Jun 2015 #27

Ding Ding Ding! We have a thread winner progree Jun 2015 #50

Bazinga! Divernan Jun 2015 #51

Especially when it wasn't a very good moment for Hillary shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #172

OMG passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #181

Do you worry she may have peaked too soon? Octafish Jun 2015 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author rocktivity Jun 2015 #60

Specifically she peaked sometime around December 2007 Scootaloo Jun 2015 #159

if one actually cares about these issues, yes it is. cali Jun 2015 #7

+1 BeanMusical Jun 2015 #26

Some of them positively relish the prospect of further regime changes and wars to come. leveymg Jun 2015 #29

Batshit insanity shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #171

She seems to be unaware that Israel has it's own nuclear umbrella, and hardly needs ours. leveymg Jun 2015 #182

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McCain is nuts. n/t leveymg Jun 2015 #198

+ another Scuba Jun 2015 #95

+1 Marr Jun 2015 #107

That's what Liberalism means to me. stage left Jun 2015 #129

Yes. One needs no greater authority then Teddy Roosevelt. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #152

Just the kind of insight we've all come to expect from you. frylock Jun 2015 #28

+1. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #32

Thank you. leftofcool Jun 2015 #35

Absolutely correct. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #58

Yes, it is too bad. We could do so much better n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #92

So basically, your only concern is Hillary. Everything and everyone else can go to hell. /nt Marr Jun 2015 #111

it is indeed too bad for America Doctor_J Jun 2015 #125

Gloat if you must but there is a way of populism that won't be stopped. The billionaires rhett o rick Jun 2015 #144

this article says it all for me. You can mark the date she suddenly decided to care roguevalley Jun 2015 #148

For now .. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #156

That's what some DU OP headlines say these days. cui bono Jun 2015 #162

Hopefully Old Codger Jun 2015 #168

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I'm certainly not ..... marmar Jun 2015 #2

Hillary's record is there for all to see. Her history can't be wiped out by some pretty words she Autumn Jun 2015 #5

There you go. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #94

Word. [nt] Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #100

K&R marym625 Jun 2015 #8

The Plutocrats prefer a Democrat in the White House. Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #36

I learned from the Clinton administration... Alkene Jun 2015 #48

The "two" Parties have been "tag teaming" since Reagan. bvar22 Jun 2015 #137

True, but that's changing. The people are rising up against them now. See what just happened sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #178

hmm. marym625 Jun 2015 #200

Not any Democrat. A New Democrat. merrily Jun 2015 #207

Well, it's like tic-tac-toe. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #102

yep. marym625 Jun 2015 #201

everything she is saying is fantastic - even if we get half of them samsingh Jun 2015 #9

It is not so much what the president (Clinton or Obama) do on the social issues. It is what they do jwirr Jun 2015 #73

Worthy of a Facebook post. You'll see it soon. mmonk Jun 2015 #10

YES!! THANK YOU, WILLIAM! nt antigop Jun 2015 #11

I join you in that gratitude, K & R. nt mother earth Jun 2015 #108

Sudden populism? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #13

Then she went right out and voted for the bank bailout bill ........... marmar Jun 2015 #16

Sudden populism... JaneyVee Jun 2015 #23

The record ............ marmar Jun 2015 #25

Thank you! geardaddy Jun 2015 #134

She voted to block transfer of Guantanamo detainees. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #139

"Sudden Onset Populism:" Sounds like a disease! ©. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #153

If her populism were more than politically expedient rhetoric donf Jun 2015 #20

They donate to every campaign. Newsflash!: JaneyVee Jun 2015 #24

How much money of those companies donated to Bernie Sanders' campaign? donf Jun 2015 #44

+1 C Moon Jun 2015 #98

Well done. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #118

Traitors ...all. Dirty filthy money ...forcefully extracted from us with the help of _________! L0oniX Jun 2015 #166

Which is why she did not run a populist campaign in 2008. jeff47 Jun 2015 #57

First thing she needs to do to get that started is to refuse Corporate donations, as Bernie Sanders sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #179

Sudden populism? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #14

Brilliant, incisive donf Jun 2015 #15

Sudden populism? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #17

Has she suggested raising taxes on the ultra wealthy? Enthusiast Jun 2015 #21

You're kidding, correct? -none Jun 2015 #68

That's what I figured. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #69

Janet, dear, could you please link to where these speeches are found? Thank you very much. nt. hedda_foil Jun 2015 #31

sudden populism yikes1 Jun 2015 #61

I see you're posting a lot of her words in this thread, but not her actions n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #93

I would refer you to this: GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #173

Sudden populism? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #18

You should attribute the source from which you are gleaning all these excerpts. morningfog Jun 2015 #30

More sudden populism... JaneyVee Jun 2015 #19

Words are wind. WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #22

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I look forward to Pitt's dramatic, "Rally to Hillary's side" piece in November LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #33

I bet it will be well worded. leftofcool Jun 2015 #38

I can't wait to see Wills "Rally to Bernie's side" piece in November Autumn Jun 2015 #39

Another day, another Hillary Clinton Whipping Post thread DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #34

Defend your opinion. WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #40

My opinion is Hillary Clinton has always been in the main stream of the DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #47

"the great SidDithers" WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #53

He is our norther neighbor's H. L. Mencken and Will Rogers wrapped into one./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #55

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #82

LoZoccolo was from Chicago and that's an incredibly mean thing to say about a poster here. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #85

Incredibly mean? JonLP24 Jun 2015 #89

You are probably right. Rex Jun 2015 #124

Who says nothing, ever LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #127

It was a facetious comment./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #128

Well that did it for me. Rex Jun 2015 #122

There are polls and then there are polls. totodeinhere Jun 2015 #66

Yet she still leads all her presumptive Republican opponents DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #70

Without matching up Sanders vs those same Republicans those results are totodeinhere Jun 2015 #74

How does Sanders match up to those same Republicans? leftofcool Jun 2015 #78

We have results from Pennsylvania where HRC is beating Walker by 2 while Sanders is trailing him... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #80

With Clinton's almost unanimous name recognition I would say that being within the margin totodeinhere Jun 2015 #133

I suggest you try to convince those Democrats... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #136

They are just showing their ignorance. I wonder how many of them have even heard about totodeinhere Jun 2015 #149

The reliable Democratic states that give the Democrats an Electoral College edge... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #150

how convenient to stop at April, right when she launched. Here's her latest favorability: magical thyme Jun 2015 #101

I was referring to her favorability rating among Democrats. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #104

last time I looked, republicans and independents will be voting too. magical thyme Jun 2015 #109

Last time I looked she is polling much better against them than her Democratic rivals: DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #113

and back in April she was up +7 over Bush, +5 over Christie and Walker, +7 over Cruz magical thyme Jun 2015 #126

Which is substantially better than her Democratic primary rivals are doing... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #131

Last I looked Bernie was further behind Hillary than he is today. cui bono Jun 2015 #163

Like this DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #165

You obviously have command of polling data swilton Jun 2015 #161

So is Rahm Emmanuel. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #160

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Welcome To D U. Enjoy your stay./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #197

Another day, another Administration, another opportunity to "obliterate Iran" leveymg Jun 2015 #43

And hopefully there will be one every day until the primary. Maedhros Jun 2015 #96

I trust they will continue after her inauguration DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #99

Probably. I have no tolerance for bullshit from Presidents. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #110

I expect it. /NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #115

Someone will give her tickets to the inauguration Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #117

Great article. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #37

I haven't ever believed it marions ghost Jun 2015 #41

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jun 2015 #42

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Clickbait. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #46

You're right -- since he's the author rocktivity Jun 2015 #54

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #49

Excellent piece, Mr Pitt. N/T 99Forever Jun 2015 #52

yes, it is! nt antigop Jun 2015 #120

Negative attacks against HRC are defeating Bernie Cryptoad Jun 2015 #56

Attacked a week ago for not being populist enough, attacked this week for 'faking' populism? Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #59

Clintons can't win for losing. leftofcool Jun 2015 #79

fail. she's consistently been attacked for being a "weather vane" and for political expediency cali Jun 2015 #81

It's a replay of her "McCain and I have experience, Obama has a speech" gaffe rocktivity Jun 2015 #62

I think her stand is clear on TPP JonLP24 Jun 2015 #87

I worked in advertising -- we called that a parity claim rocktivity Jun 2015 #90

My Goodnish graces, By Golly!..We're going to take back 10 percent of what the Bankers stole!! BlueJazz Jun 2015 #63

You are wrong about Hillary. upaloopa Jun 2015 #64

"So many think they know her but they don't." Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #105

Clinton has always been a populist. Nitram Jun 2015 #65

Not so fast. Do some research. During the Nixon administration, merrily Jun 2015 #83

I believe you are mistaken. The Heritage Foundation Plan was formed to counter Clinton's plan... Nitram Jun 2015 #145

What's with the unfair pot shots against Democratic candidates on DU? Nitram Jun 2015 #146

Heritage foundation plans 1989 AND 1994. Obviously, the 1989 plan, with its individual mandate, merrily Jun 2015 #175

Still wrong. Check out the facts. Hillarycare was not Obamacare. And it was not for the 1%. Nitram Jun 2015 #188

It was a precursor of both Romneycare and Obamacare. I never said they were all identical. merrily Jun 2015 #190

Pointing out that Hillary's health care plan was not based on the Heritage Foundation proposal... Nitram Jun 2015 #193

No, your quotes did not prove Heritage was not the model. merrily Jun 2015 #196

OK, I get it. You just can't admit you're wrong. Nitram Jun 2015 #203

Poster, please. You're the one who's been proven wrong. And I"ve already LOL'd at merrily Jun 2015 #204

Translation: the Hillary-hate is personal and irrational. It doesn't matter what she actually DanTex Jun 2015 #67

The only things she has done benefit the 1%, why would we care what she says? harun Jun 2015 #72

For example, when she fought for universal healthcare. Obviously that was DanTex Jun 2015 #76

Heritage Foundation plan--and the Clintons couldn't get it passed. The way she had gone about it merrily Jun 2015 #77

Do you have health insurance? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #103

Whether I do or not is totally irrelevant to anything I posted and, really, none of your business. merrily Jun 2015 #176

Wrong! The Heritage Foundation Plan was to counter Clinton's plan Nitram Jun 2015 #147

See Replies 83 and 145. merrily Jun 2015 #174

That's why no one should listen to those who call any criticism of her "hate" BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #84

It's an opinion grounded in irrational hatred. DanTex Jun 2015 #86

That is exactly what I'm talking about BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #91

A lot of criticism of Obama was also grounded in irrational hatred. DanTex Jun 2015 #112

Now we have found where we differ BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #121

What part of her record shows the contrary? DanTex Jun 2015 #130

That is exactly what we should be discussing BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #155

I agree. But let me ask you this. DanTex Jun 2015 #158

That is a good argument, well said BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #211

Thanks. I would disagree that Dimon, Blankfein are just as dangerous as Koch and Adelson. DanTex Jun 2015 #212

IMO you should stop waisting your time on the "hate criers", they want you to do that. Rex Jun 2015 #116

+100 heaven05 Jun 2015 #151

+1 This country is struggling and declining from 30 years of neoliberal strangulation. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #206

You are exactly right BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #208

LMFAO ...keep trying. L0oniX Jun 2015 #167

I don't know what's going to be worse quickesst Jun 2015 #71

Every picture tells a story. Zorra Jun 2015 #75

Thanks again, WilliamPitt Thespian2 Jun 2015 #88

Great piece, Will Oilwellian Jun 2015 #97

+1 840high Jun 2015 #132

Blatant hypocrisy of the highest order. A complete pandering sham of monumental inconsistency... mother earth Jun 2015 #106

Those donor lists HassleCat Jun 2015 #114

What is/was her opinion on OWS? Rex Jun 2015 #119

You got two factors to look at now and you may want to think twice. Wash. state Desk Jet Jun 2015 #123

What did Bernie tell you folks about Hillary? DownriverDem Jun 2015 #135

K&R. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #138

Great read! This really made the hair stand up on my neck: Avalux Jun 2015 #140

k & an enthusiastic r AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #141

Bravo DebbieCDC Jun 2015 #142

Talk Is So Cheap You Have To Follow Through colsohlibgal Jun 2015 #143

Bernie is running on his long, consistent, excellent history... Bugenhagen Jun 2015 #154

I just got the email from Truthout Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #157

Four months or more ago ... Brian66 Jun 2015 #164

What bothers me about articles like this is their complete Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #169

What? MFrohike Jun 2015 #177

And there it is... TM99 Jun 2015 #180

Uh...what? d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #209

"It's a Long Way to Tipperary" ain't it n/t Ellipsis Jun 2015 #170

She's about as populist as my left nut. Hoppy Jun 2015 #183

We're talking cashews and almonds, right? R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #202

Yes, teh legumes. Hoppy Jun 2015 #210

Hillary is not a Populist Progressive dog Jun 2015 #199

K&R "Help me!" raouldukelives Jun 2015 #205

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