History is written by the victors (Reply #46)

In the discussion thread: This monument is an affront to the United States. [View all]

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 05:05 PM

csziggy (33,804 posts)

46. History is written by the victors

Or maybe the survivors - there are various versions of the quote and various claims as to who said it.

The Confederates lost the war and now they need to lose the battle for public acceptance of the continued racism the descendants of those traitors have fostered.

An yeah, I have ancestors who fought for the Confederate side.

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69 replies	Author	Time	Post
This monument is an affront to the United States. [View all]	edhopper	Jun 2015	OP
Yeah, but the laser shows on Saturday nights are awesome.	onehandle	Jun 2015	#1
And they will still argue	edhopper	Jun 2015	#3
Yes it is	Kalidurga	Jun 2015	#2
OTOH it has artistic and historic merit	Recursion	Jun 2015	#54
Monuments, headstones, history etc	DustyJoe	Jun 2015	#4
Nonsense. /nt	yardwork	Jun 2015	#5
What a ridiculous argument	edhopper	Jun 2015	#6
Technically they aren't traitors. They were all pardoned.	Calista241	Jun 2015	#7
They fought against their own country	edhopper	Jun 2015	#8
Traitors to Britain from 13 New World colonies fought against their own country between 1775-1783	Pooka Fey	Jun 2015	#15
Are there statutes	edhopper	Jun 2015	#16
Did England put up a statue honoring "Traitor-Rebel" George Washington? Yes, in Trafalgar Square	Pooka Fey	Jun 2015	#20
I was trying to understand what you meant by winners framing the debate	edhopper	Jun 2015	#22
In 1783, the Colonial Traitors against the British Crown WON their Turn-Coat Rebellion	Pooka Fey	Jun 2015	#26
No	edhopper	Jun 2015	#27
Riiiiight. Take a look at your post number 23 again.	Pooka Fey	Jun 2015	#29
You got me there	edhopper	Jun 2015	#31
it is one thing to discuss losers in a war	DonCoquixote	Jun 2015	#35
I stopped reading after your 2nd sentence, Godwin's law and all	Pooka Fey	Jun 2015	#39
You stopped reading	DonCoquixote	Jun 2015	#64
...	Pooka Fey	Jun 2015	#67
Never thought about it	DustyJoe	Jun 2015	#24
They may have been pardoned but what they did . . .	brush	Jun 2015	#10
Given the history of Stone Mountain and the KKK, it should be destroyed	csziggy	Jun 2015	#17
Well said nt	edhopper	Jun 2015	#23
Excellent post...	Spazito	Jun 2015	#43
That's a great idea - use it as a teaching tool for the history of racism	csziggy	Jun 2015	#44
To me, educating the young on the real history of racism and racist monuments like	Spazito	Jun 2015	#45
Bit of a difference between not celebrating those who fought to preserve slavery	NuclearDem	Jun 2015	#25
No doubt your bias is offended.	LanternWaste	Jun 2015	#51
Racists don't wear Stone Mountain shirts or wave SM flags	NightWatcher	Jun 2015	#9
I don't think getting rid of the monument	edhopper	Jun 2015	#11
Stone Mountain Georgia, the site where the Ku Klux Klan was reborn.	MohRokTah	Jun 2015	#12
No mention of the rebirth of the Klan is complete	Art_from_Ark	Jun 2015	#18
West Virginia had a precious member of the klan until	yeoman6987	Jun 2015	#30
Byrd is such a red herring	edhopper	Jun 2015	#34
I don't know. You mentioned klam members in congress and	yeoman6987	Jun 2015	#41
I mentioned that Stone Mountain was rallying point for the Klan	edhopper	Jun 2015	#42
That's what the Taliban said!	FSogol	Jun 2015	#13
That is how you see Stone Mountain?	edhopper	Jun 2015	#14
One man's "heritage" is another man's hell. nt	kelliekat44	Jun 2015	#19
And what is the "heritage of Stone Mountain?	edhopper	Jun 2015	#21
Never saw or heard of it.	yeoman6987	Jun 2015	#28
Then a hell of a lot of us are the descendants of traitors.	pogglethrope	Jun 2015	#32
Yes	edhopper	Jun 2015	#33
I agree that the Confederate flag shouldnt be flying on state grounds	davidn3600	Jun 2015	#47
Not all	edhopper	Jun 2015	#57
Yes, and the principles of that nation were evil, it is nothing to be proud of. n/t	Humanist_Activist	Jun 2015	#36
History is written by the victors	csziggy	Jun 2015	#46
Don't make me come down there again	Ichingcarpenter	Jun 2015	#37
"War is Hell"	edhopper	Jun 2015	#38
Simple solution: Have them fly REAL Confederate flags.	KamaAina	Jun 2015	#40
Do you have a complaint with this one?	former9thward	Jun 2015	#48
No	edhopper	Jun 2015	#58
A distinction without a difference.	former9thward	Jun 2015	#60
and that is wrong as well	edhopper	Jun 2015	#62
The Confederate Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery is not anyone's grave.	former9thward	Jun 2015	#65
This should be blown up.	philosslayer	Jun 2015	#49
That is just a bullshit argument	edhopper	Jun 2015	#59
Would you support the bulldozing and destruction of confederate Graves? n/t	oneshooter	Jun 2015	#66
I'd hate to see any monument removed, replaced or destroyed.	LanternWaste	Jun 2015	#50
It's also the largest bas relief in the world (nt)	Recursion	Jun 2015	#52
So don't destroy it, give it a makeover.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jun 2015	#55
I'm hesitant to alter old art. Put up an interpretive element	Recursion	Jun 2015	#56
MLK specifically mentioned it in the "I Have A Dream" Speech	jberryhill	Jun 2015	#53
Stoned and alone	seveneyes	Jun 2015	#61
How about statues of that Native American-exterminating, genocidal maniac Columbus?	Nye Bevan	Jun 2015	#63
So until we eliminate all statues to questionable figures	edhopper	Jun 2015	#69
I didn't even know that existed	AwakeAtLast	Jun 2015	#68

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