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In reply to the discussion: People who compare same-sex marriage and polygamy need to fuck off [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)95. For your benefit, I will copy and paste point 3 which you apparently missed.
causal links in bold
3. Polygamy is really fucking awful for women and children.
http://news.ubc.ca/2012/01/23/monogamy-reduces-major-social-problems-of-polygamist-cultures/
In cultures that permit men to take multiple wives, the intra-sexual competition that occurs causes greater levels of crime, violence, poverty and gender inequality than in societies that institutionalize and practice monogamous marriage.
That is a key finding of a new University of British Columbia-led study that explores the global rise of monogamous marriage as a dominant cultural institution. The study suggests that institutionalized monogamous marriage is rapidly replacing polygamy because it has lower levels of inherent social problems.
Our goal was to understand why monogamous marriage has become standard in most developed nations in recent centuries, when most recorded cultures have practiced polygyny, says UBC Prof. Joseph Henrich, a cultural anthropologist, referring to the form of polygamy that permits multiple wives, which continues to be practiced in some parts of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and North America.
The emergence of monogamous marriage is also puzzling for some as the very people who most benefit from polygyny wealthy, powerful men were best positioned to reject it, says Henrich, lead author of the study that is published today in the journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. Our findings suggest that that institutionalized monogamous marriage provides greater net benefits for society at large by reducing social problems that are inherent in polygynous societies.
Considered the most comprehensive study of polygamy and the institution of marriage, the study finds significantly higher levels rape, kidnapping, murder, assault, robbery and fraud in polygynous cultures. According to Henrich and his research team, which included Profs. Robert Boyd (UCLA) and Peter Richerson (UC Davis), these crimes are caused primarily by pools of unmarried men, which result when other men take multiple wives.
The scarcity of marriageable women in polygamous cultures increases competition among men for the remaining unmarried women, says Henrich, adding that polygamy was outlawed in 1963 in Nepal, 1955 in India (partially), 1953 in China and 1880 in Japan. The greater competition increases the likelihood men in polygamous communities will resort to criminal behavior to gain resources and women, he says.
According to Henrich, monogamys main cultural evolutionary advantage over polygyny is the more egalitarian distribution of women, which reduces male competition and social problems. By shifting male efforts from seeking wives to paternal investment, institutionalized monogamy increases long-term planning, economic productivity, savings and child investment, the study finds. Monogamys institutionalization has been assisted by its incorporation by religions, such as Christianity.
Monogamous marriage also results in significant improvements in child welfare, including lower rates of child neglect, abuse, accidental death, homicide and intra-household conflict, the study finds. These benefits result from greater levels of parental investment, smaller households and increased direct blood relatedness in monogamous family households, says Henrich, who served as an expert witness for British Columbias Supreme Court case involving the polygamous community of Bountiful, B.C.
Monogamous marriage has largely preceded democracy and voting rights for women in the nations where it has been institutionalized, says Henrich, the Canadian Research Chair in Culture, Cognition and Evolution in UBCs Depts. of Psychology and Economics. By decreasing competition for younger and younger brides, monogamous marriage increases the age of first marriage for females, decreases the spousal age gap and elevates female influence in household decisions which decreases total fertility and increases gender equality.
That is a key finding of a new University of British Columbia-led study that explores the global rise of monogamous marriage as a dominant cultural institution. The study suggests that institutionalized monogamous marriage is rapidly replacing polygamy because it has lower levels of inherent social problems.
Our goal was to understand why monogamous marriage has become standard in most developed nations in recent centuries, when most recorded cultures have practiced polygyny, says UBC Prof. Joseph Henrich, a cultural anthropologist, referring to the form of polygamy that permits multiple wives, which continues to be practiced in some parts of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and North America.
The emergence of monogamous marriage is also puzzling for some as the very people who most benefit from polygyny wealthy, powerful men were best positioned to reject it, says Henrich, lead author of the study that is published today in the journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. Our findings suggest that that institutionalized monogamous marriage provides greater net benefits for society at large by reducing social problems that are inherent in polygynous societies.
Considered the most comprehensive study of polygamy and the institution of marriage, the study finds significantly higher levels rape, kidnapping, murder, assault, robbery and fraud in polygynous cultures. According to Henrich and his research team, which included Profs. Robert Boyd (UCLA) and Peter Richerson (UC Davis), these crimes are caused primarily by pools of unmarried men, which result when other men take multiple wives.
The scarcity of marriageable women in polygamous cultures increases competition among men for the remaining unmarried women, says Henrich, adding that polygamy was outlawed in 1963 in Nepal, 1955 in India (partially), 1953 in China and 1880 in Japan. The greater competition increases the likelihood men in polygamous communities will resort to criminal behavior to gain resources and women, he says.
According to Henrich, monogamys main cultural evolutionary advantage over polygyny is the more egalitarian distribution of women, which reduces male competition and social problems. By shifting male efforts from seeking wives to paternal investment, institutionalized monogamy increases long-term planning, economic productivity, savings and child investment, the study finds. Monogamys institutionalization has been assisted by its incorporation by religions, such as Christianity.
Monogamous marriage also results in significant improvements in child welfare, including lower rates of child neglect, abuse, accidental death, homicide and intra-household conflict, the study finds. These benefits result from greater levels of parental investment, smaller households and increased direct blood relatedness in monogamous family households, says Henrich, who served as an expert witness for British Columbias Supreme Court case involving the polygamous community of Bountiful, B.C.
Monogamous marriage has largely preceded democracy and voting rights for women in the nations where it has been institutionalized, says Henrich, the Canadian Research Chair in Culture, Cognition and Evolution in UBCs Depts. of Psychology and Economics. By decreasing competition for younger and younger brides, monogamous marriage increases the age of first marriage for females, decreases the spousal age gap and elevates female influence in household decisions which decreases total fertility and increases gender equality.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22794315
The identified studies are of mixed methodological quality, but generally suggest a more significant prevalence of mental-health issues in polygynous women compared to monogamous women. Individual studies report a higher prevalence of somatization, depression, anxiety, hostility, psychoticism and psychiatric disorder in polygynous wives as well as reduced life and marital satisfaction, problematic family functioning and low self-esteem. Conclusions. The current state of the research reveals with moderate confidence, a more significant prevalence of mental-health issues in polygynous women as compared to monogamous women. Implications for practice and research are indicated.
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People who compare same-sex marriage and polygamy need to fuck off [View all]
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
OP
While I agree, the polygamists themselves are determined to claim linkage --
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2015
#4
they don't face jail time for having sexual relationships with each other.
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#21
Adultery laws could apply, so not entirely legal if a marriage were in any way involved --
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2015
#157
Any of the idiotic talking points against same sex marriage need to FO. Yesterday I just heard an
still_one
Jul 2015
#9
There's no reason why people can't pursue a polyamorous lifestyle, of course. nt
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#13
they're free to form limited partnerships and closely-held corporations and
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#30
It's funny how when black people say the same thing about comparing gay rights to civil rights
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#39
So you're calling a bunch of African, Asian, and Arab countries culturally backwards?
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#47
Polygamy is illegal in the vast majority of Asia and all of Latin America as well
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#52
You're doing two things at once here that don't necessarily go togther. You make it seem like
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#56
Oh barf. You're defending oppression of women and GLBT people as "not wrong"
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#57
it's putting marriage equality (and by implication homosexuality and trans status) on
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#69
I'm not trying to stigmatize gay marriage. I'm glad they got their rights but if poly people want
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#75
People should be free to marry who they want whenever they want as long as they're all adult.
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#72
Marriage is a man made institution that we change as we see fit. If the polys get their message
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#135
It is telling others how to live when we get involved good or bad. Nobody does that to us.
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#217
Yes people do it to Americans WHO GO THERE. Nobody does that to Americans here hell we'd be
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#221
Who said anything about women's rights? I'm just saying we shouldn't stop any adult from marrying
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#60
so you perceive gender equality and GLBT rights as a white person's issue? nt
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#63
No just an example of us thinking our way is better so we should make the rest of the world
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#71
So, in your book the North engaged in cultural imperialism by stripping the
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#73
Actually the south shot first. Iraq and the Saudis asked for our help against ISIS and I keep
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#85
Are you suggesting being gay is akin to wanting to have a dozen wives?
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#35
marriage isn't about loving only one person, it's committing to one person.
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#61
At least you didn't go straight to calling poly families "orgies" this time
Capt. Obvious
Jul 2015
#78
Thats the same argument conservatards make when they say a gay man can marry a lesbian.
ncjustice80
Jul 2015
#223
I agree. Gov. needs to stay out of any type of consenting relationships period. nt
Quixote1818
Jul 2015
#68
Marriage is something society promotes because pair bonding is good for individuals.
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2015
#111
I look at it like this the government has no business telling adults what to do in the bedroom.
craigmatic
Jul 2015
#34
Guess what? Marriage equality was not about what we do in the bedroom, and it's a bit offensive
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2015
#159
Dogs have fur, fish have scales. I compared them, showed they are different.
uppityperson
Jul 2015
#45
yes, those implying/stating that the legalization of same-sex marriage implies
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#48
Thanks for clarifying. It takes time but I appreciate it when people do as things aren't always as
uppityperson
Jul 2015
#50
Comparisons show how things are similar. Contrasts show how things are different.
Pacifist Patriot
Jul 2015
#84
That is true also. Language is interesting, off to the dictionary to find...we are both correct
uppityperson
Jul 2015
#93
A fine example of cognitive dissonance. Attacking bigots while defending your own bigotry.
DesMoinesDem
Jul 2015
#88
Just curious, if Polygamy takes place in countries that are the worst ones for gender equality
hughee99
Jul 2015
#91
For your benefit, I will copy and paste point 3 which you apparently missed.
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#95
The studies concluded that polygamy drives increased crime, increased suffering
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#100
Marriage is important to society because pair-bonding is important to individuals.
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2015
#110
Bigotry against consenting adults who wish to marry is not my idea of a progressive value. nt
kelly1mm
Jul 2015
#113
BIGOTRY - stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's
kelly1mm
Jul 2015
#116
Okay, so your problem is that you have the concept of radical glibertarianism
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#132
"the ones that permit polygamy are also the most heinously homophobic". Is there not one other major
WinkyDink
Jul 2015
#146
People who don't properly compare same-sex marriage and polygamy need to fuck off
BKH70041
Jul 2015
#150
I guarantee you almost no anti-polygamy law was ever written and passed.....
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jul 2015
#155
There's no way that courts are going to abolish monogamous marriage laws.
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#172
People who are unclear on the difference between "compare" and "equate" need to...
Iggo
Jul 2015
#170
People who want to deny the right of a woman and two men to marry need to fuck off.
Vattel
Jul 2015
#173
If I believe an adult male who wants to marry his mom and dad should not have that right....
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#181
You're right, advocating for a social structure that treats women like property
NuclearDem
Jul 2015
#197
They don't need to shop that bigotry at a liberal/progressive website, that's for sure. nt
MADem
Jul 2015
#202
What is amazing is that like any troll they baited some innocent fish./nt
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#205
There are many aspects to many religions which people participate in willingly, where there are
Jefferson23
Jul 2015
#215