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ananda

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17. Debate fallacies here, and faulty logic.

Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:25 PM

Jul 2015

You could at least pretend to be literate and logical in your attacks on good people who can make no human sense out of an agreement clearly designed to help only the rich and corporate at the expense of poor and working class people.

For example, instead of falsely accusing a generic grouping of people called "you guys" of not giving a dang about helping the poor, you could instead tell us all the things you are doing to help them.

How have you been an activist and advocate for the poor? How are you going to help pay for the medication that millions of people won't be able to afford if big pharma gets its way according to the actual words of the treaty?

If your compassion is more than just pretense, show us exactly how that compassion will be turned into action on behalf of the poor.

I wont' hold my breath waiting for a decent or proper reply, though.

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TPP leaks reveal that poor people in poor countries will die because of TPP [View all] brentspeak Jul 2015 OP

No way! I was told here it would lead to world peace and 100 dollar an hour jobs! Rex Jul 2015 #1

Yep, I remember those types of posts n2doc Jul 2015 #5

this is all on Obama. I wonder how he can live with it. roguevalley Jul 2015 #21

I don't understand how he thinks this is a good idea when he knows the GOP LOVES it! Rex Jul 2015 #23

Obama has gone on record saying that he is actually an "'80s Republican" Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #64

He has done some good things hifiguy Jul 2015 #38

Duh.... daleanime Jul 2015 #2

I like you answer: Duh..... Who in their right mind would believe that the multi-national jwirr Jul 2015 #10

But . . But . .It's a gold standard! (S A R C A S M) Divernan Jul 2015 #18

Reaganism in a nutshell - greed and hate are good. jwirr Jul 2015 #25

But it's all to LIFT UP people around the world! Uh, wrong, put the poor DOWN in the ground. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #56

The very fact that people will die to preserve and increase profits shows us PatrickforO Jul 2015 #3

The billionaire oligarchs don't wish us to die, they just don't care if we do. Profits are their rhett o rick Jul 2015 #67

I'm with you there. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #68

So the Pharmaceutical companies plan on what is effectively mass murder.... AZ Progressive Jul 2015 #4

Mass murder for profit is what the health insurance companies have been doing for decades. Scuba Jul 2015 #72

Drug prices in poor countries are very low, TPP won't change that. Hoyt Jul 2015 #6

No one on these forums is dumb enough to believe any of your tripe brentspeak Jul 2015 #7

I have asked that myself - the continued shilling is ridiculous. djean111 Jul 2015 #8

His job is to push somebody's corporate agenda. He and 4 or 5 other DU TPPers have a list Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #9

And they convince no one, and I will keep protesting, and I will never vote for anyone who voted for djean111 Jul 2015 #11

And the junk you guys say sounds like me when I lived in a house full of students Hoyt Jul 2015 #16

You probably have that backwards, but we still love you. Rex Jul 2015 #26

oh right - you're the grownup & the entire labor/environmental/health advocacy/ bread_and_roses Jul 2015 #31

It's true. In any event, you guys have shown you don't give a dang about helping poor Hoyt Jul 2015 #12

Debate fallacies here, and faulty logic. ananda Jul 2015 #17

You obviously have not researched how cheap -- often free -- drugs are in foreign countries Hoyt Jul 2015 #19

And you obviously cannot show one iota of proof to your claims and you never do. Rex Jul 2015 #27

OK, do this for me. Answer all my previous questions and then ... ananda Jul 2015 #48

Read up on India, and look up drug prices in 3rd World countries. Hoyt Jul 2015 #50

No, it's up to you to prove your assertions. ananda Jul 2015 #54

We have counterfeit drugs here. truedelphi Jul 2015 #55

Are you saying the information in the OP is lies? arcane1 Jul 2015 #20

LOL! IKR!? Rex Jul 2015 #24

I'm saying like most complicated issues, there are other views. Hoyt Jul 2015 #29

"Other Views" means you are choosing a side without evidence. arcane1 Jul 2015 #32

No, it means exactly what I said. I doubt you read any other views. Hoyt Jul 2015 #33

"Views" are not facts. arcane1 Jul 2015 #39

Like you have presented facts. You guys talk about a "secretive" agreement, then tell us it's bad. Hoyt Jul 2015 #40

I do not claim to have presented facts. arcane1 Jul 2015 #42

By your headline I didn't have to look who posted it Joe Turner Jul 2015 #53

Not only in "poor countries" moonbeam23 Jul 2015 #13

By the time they are through, the U.S. will be a "poor country." [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #14

Worldwide feudalism under corporate seigneurs is the end game. hifiguy Jul 2015 #37

That drawing board is called the Trans Pacific Partnership. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #44

It should be called the TPCP -- Trans Pacific Corporate Plunder. (nm) Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #49

Perfect! smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #60

very serious issues angrychair Jul 2015 #15

But it is a legacy issue - right? jwirr Jul 2015 #28

Anyone who doesn't think that there indeed exist vast international conspiracies designed to truedelphi Jul 2015 #57

Surprise? Not. My husband needs an Rx that was $500 a month in December, 2014. 1monster Jul 2015 #22

They will definitely die or continue to live is squalor if you guys stop investments that Hoyt Jul 2015 #30

Strawman. Saying no to the TPP is not the same as saying "stop investments " arcane1 Jul 2015 #41

If you don't support the TPP, then you hate poor people neverforget Jul 2015 #43

"Trust McConnell and Boehner, not Warren, Reich, and Sanders!" arcane1 Jul 2015 #45

That was actually on the talking points list for one of the 1990's free trade deals. Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #47

Well done, arcane1. truedelphi Jul 2015 #59

FFS, millions of US jobs HAVE BEEN OUTSOURCED overseas bread_and_roses Jul 2015 #52

Well, when you're part of a group that says NAFTA created 22 million American jobs, Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #58

I'd like to add "hyper regulation" to that too. neverforget Jul 2015 #62

So TPP has hyper regulation AND hyper job creation along with Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #65

This is Unacceptable! J_J_ Jul 2015 #34

Histroy repeats itslef CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #35

Well, that is just tough shit. hifiguy Jul 2015 #36

K&R! Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #46

And Hillary is for it, and wouldn't lift a finger to change it, the Truth . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #51

sadly, yes.n /t restorefreedom Jul 2015 #66

The TPP is... Pastiche423 Jul 2015 #61

Yep. Can't appease shareholders with words. They always get the pony. nt raouldukelives Jul 2015 #63

Wealthy corporations sewing up their control of the world Wella Jul 2015 #69

I'm worried that the cost of medication here in Korea could be effect by the TPP davidpdx Jul 2015 #70

These concerns should be the priorities not 8000 % profit, perverse . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #71

For shame Obama lark Jul 2015 #73