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174. No you lazy bastards. You don't get to piggy-back on nigh a century of GLBT progress

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:52 AM

Jul 2015

There's no legal, logical, ethical or political shortcut through the steps from illegal underground subculture where polygamists are now and gays were in the early 20th century, through embattled brave individuals risking abuse and worse, to small open enclaves in liberal sanctuaries, then slow changes in public opinion as more and more come out and role models appear in politics, entertainment and culture like Harvey Milk and William Haines , then through a slow, grudging, brutally resisted growth in public acceptance and tiny baby steps in legal protection until, with bias and antipathy still rampant, you finally decades later get at least basic official recognition of your loving bonds.

Why the hell should troglodytic Mormon extremists who want a slave harem and a few hipper-than-thou swingers get to piggy back and leapfrog all that and say "oh yeah us too". No.

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Polymarriage deserves a defense [View all] Wella Jul 2015 OP

Why are these polygamy, plural marriage threads popping up everywhere on DU now? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #1

I can't speak to the "killing women" threads. I've neither seen nor participated in them. Wella Jul 2015 #3

Inexplicable? No, people are being labeled rightwingers... Zenlitened Jul 2015 #101

So it's not about the facts or the logic: it's about which story you agree with. Wella Jul 2015 #103

Facts and logic? Sure. Outright lies? No. Zenlitened Jul 2015 #108

We ARE in uncharted territory. Take a look at what Kennedy wrote. Wella Jul 2015 #109

You are distorting Kennedy's words. Zenlitened Jul 2015 #110

I am absolutely NOT distorting them. Wella Jul 2015 #111

Well, the OP'er has posted FOUR of them and keeps them going. KittyWampus Jul 2015 #9

reference the third panel Skittles Jul 2015 #32

Not really. It's very dangerous for women and children. bravenak Jul 2015 #2

There are many Americans in polyarrangements raising children Wella Jul 2015 #4

Of course there haven't been reports; these women are probably being threatened and/or Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #5

Any evidence of that? Wella Jul 2015 #8

Plenty of evidence, actually. Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #162

Lol! I don't deny there are cults out there. But I know several couples in poly relationships. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #10

How are the women (mis)treated? No one can convince me that somehow these arrangements are Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #14

They do quite well. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #29

One man can fuck around on many "wives" and be sexually free? That's not liberating to women at all. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #34

Wow. They are quite faithful to their own pairing. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #43

I don't get out much? NO. I just don't agree that men should treat women like sex slaves or Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #47

I honestly could give two shits what your convinced about. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #52

Well, good for you! I don't give a shit about your relationship. That's a private thing. Keep that Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #82

Relationships are now a private thing, "shit" that must be kept secret? Fumesucker Jul 2015 #118

So you are saying you are unwilling to listen to anyone laundry_queen Jul 2015 #74

You mad? I don't agree with women being oppressed and will NEVER support that. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #83

Just not alot of Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #121

I will never support women being oppressed either. laundry_queen Jul 2015 #141

I think a lot of people have no idea what modern polymarriage is about. Wella Jul 2015 #59

Thanks, yeah its like talking to Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #120

No kidding. Wella Jul 2015 #123

Yep, its the same "I got mine so fuck everyone else." Scratch the surface of a lot of the Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #125

I can see that. Someone just said that "bigamy" shouldn't be legalized. Wella Jul 2015 #127

Yeah not sure what you would call it. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #131

Why does it have to be multiple wives? Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #67

That's just crazy talk! tazkcmo Jul 2015 #156

I admit I don't know a lot of poly folks. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #153

Well, I can't speak for Katashi... Chan790 Jul 2015 #233

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #238

How does that apply to a relationship of one woman with two men? eridani Jul 2015 #115

Most polygamy in the USA is within those 'weird cult people' communities. bravenak Jul 2015 #6

Religious-based polygamy, yes. But polyamory, especially among progressives and libertarians? No Wella Jul 2015 #11

No. If we legalize it for them then we cannot say shit when the fdls starts more polygamy towns. bravenak Jul 2015 #16

True. But it will be OPEN, not hidden, and that tends to reduce the power of abusers Wella Jul 2015 #21

No thanks. The risks to the women and children are too great. bravenak Jul 2015 #25

You need to check out the million or so Americans practicing polyamory Wella Jul 2015 #33

Uh huh. bravenak Jul 2015 #42

Polyamory: Personal stories Wella Jul 2015 #60

And some ex-slaves missed the Plantation. bravenak Jul 2015 #61

These women went into polyamory by choice Wella Jul 2015 #62

Stockholm syndrome. bravenak Jul 2015 #66

Nonsense! They were looking for different partners and sexual experiences. Wella Jul 2015 #68

I'm fine with polyamory. Just not plural marriage as a system. bravenak Jul 2015 #70

Or maybe a "domestic partnership"? Wella Jul 2015 #71

Not even that. bravenak Jul 2015 #72

Wow. Wella Jul 2015 #75

They don't give a shit about women or children. Just their dicks. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #36

Exactly. bravenak Jul 2015 #41

Check out this link, the OP has very different language about LGBT equality.... Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #151

Wella also doesn't like boycotts against anti gay businesses. bravenak Jul 2015 #160

Of course not. Wella has been very clearly not on the side of marriage equality on several Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #168

Wella has developed a strange affinity for polygamy that I have never seen before. bravenak Jul 2015 #170

This was the one: bravenak Jul 2015 #201

There are polyamorous bisexual women who have a male and female partner Wella Jul 2015 #56

Your incredible bigotry is astounding. TM99 Jul 2015 #58

Thank you. Wella Jul 2015 #63

You are welcome. TM99 Jul 2015 #76

well said! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #77

Excellent post. I wish you and your family well. (eom) StevieM Jul 2015 #78

BRIL. thank you. JackInGreen Jul 2015 #112

If they just cared about their dicks, NorthCarolinaL Jul 2015 #65

I agree: polyamory requires multiple commitments. Wella Jul 2015 #80

What about polyamorous women? You seem to be assuming that it is only men. StevieM Jul 2015 #79

Actually, it's likely that the risk-mitigation is in the direction of legalization. Chan790 Jul 2015 #235

Hmm... Orrex Jul 2015 #48

Most polygamy in the USA is among Muslims oberliner Jul 2015 #12

I consider most religious people cult people. bravenak Jul 2015 #20

Figures and stats, please. Wella Jul 2015 #22

Estimates range from 50,000 to 100,000 people. oberliner Jul 2015 #26

Thank you. This refers to traditional religious polygamy and it's done illegally and in secret Wella Jul 2015 #31

That is really interesting oberliner Jul 2015 #35

I think we're all going to be doing a lot more learning Wella Jul 2015 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author oberliner Jul 2015 #38

No reported violence that we know of. 840high Jul 2015 #57

When you say "weird cult people" asturias31 Jul 2015 #107

asturias31 Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #220

The "they can sign a contract" is the same crap homophobes said too... Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #144

No it's, not the same. People are born gay. People choose how many other people they want to schtup underahedgerow Jul 2015 #181

The argument in that last paragraph sure is weak kcr Jul 2015 #7

Monogamy has been pretty terrible for women for centuries oberliner Jul 2015 #15

Life has been terrible for women for centuries. kcr Jul 2015 #17

If women given consent freely then it would not be shackling oberliner Jul 2015 #30

Is it okay to pay people below minimum wage if they consent? kcr Jul 2015 #40

This is with respect to marriage oberliner Jul 2015 #44

There's suggestion and then there's the reality of what would actually happen. kcr Jul 2015 #45

I understand where you are coming from oberliner Jul 2015 #49

Okay. But why should we destroy the current model of marriage kcr Jul 2015 #51

you're confusing patriarchy with monogamy. KittyWampus Jul 2015 #19

Would you be ok with polyamory if the overriding system was not patriarchal? Wella Jul 2015 #64

You continue to use the world 'polyamory' when you mean 'polygamy'. The words are not Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #143

I am sorry but you are wrong here. TM99 Jul 2015 #148

You do know that the OP has suggested that standing with LGBT people is 'standing against God'? Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #155

That is bullshit. TM99 Jul 2015 #161

Hey, you are the one who is not speaking of yourself, that is your choice, I assume because you Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #164

If you actually read threads instead of spouting off half cocked TM99 Jul 2015 #165

In three years here you haven't advocated for polygamy AFAIK riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #171

This is the first time TM99 Jul 2015 #179

So you got nothing. Noted. riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #180

Go away. TM99 Jul 2015 #184

Uh huh. Sure you do... nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #186

Done. TM99 Jul 2015 #187

well hell just froze over.....you and I agree completely on something. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #198

Boudries? This is about self advocacy, it's yours to do, no one else's. You have never brought it up Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #189

Blue I am done with your bullshit games. TM99 Jul 2015 #193

TM99 is such a LGBT justice warrior he forgets the Obergefell decision riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #194

Considering Wella was banned for running many accounts the term 'RL persona' might not apply Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #223

In that sense, the OP is wrong. Chan790 Jul 2015 #237

I address Wella, you answer for him. Wella has now been banned as an operator of multiple accounts. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #232

if the choice is to be married to one man or be one of several wives of one man Skittles Jul 2015 #37

Exactly! No thanks. I value my pussy too much to allow some infected dick in there. No thanks, sir! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #50

I.....er......well, I didn't think of it THAT WAY Skittles Jul 2015 #53

Agreed on all front Hutzpa Jul 2015 #13

And some here feels it is okay to continue the degradation of women by mixing it with polygamy. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #18

You're talking to a society that have pimps that controls Hutzpa Jul 2015 #24

Can we stick to the topic, please, and stop with the straw men. We are discussing polygamy/plural Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #28

Something to read: Wella Jul 2015 #27

There are gays and bisexuals in polyamorous situations, but also many straights Wella Jul 2015 #23

Your current shtick is tiresome. tammywammy Jul 2015 #46

don't you understand, tammywammy? Skittles Jul 2015 #54

And is that a bad thing that I support polymarriage? Wella Jul 2015 #69

You suddenly constantly post about polygamy, but you were not a strong advocate for marriage Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #145

yup ibegurpard Jul 2015 #147

I'll just leave this here... zappaman Jul 2015 #200

*snort* Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #208

If your husband... Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #55

No Hekate Jul 2015 #73

these are trolls baiting DUers AZ Progressive Jul 2015 #81

Baiting them to do what? To support polymarriage? Wella Jul 2015 #87

Good spot to insert the fact that Wella has been banned for operateing multiple accounts Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #229

Thanks for this Wella. JackInGreen Jul 2015 #84

You're welcome. Wella Jul 2015 #85

Fingers Crossed JackInGreen Jul 2015 #86

If they don't clobber us first. Wella Jul 2015 #89

Remember the rules we fight for with everything else JackInGreen Jul 2015 #92

Good point. Wella Jul 2015 #94

It reminds me JackInGreen Jul 2015 #97

People are afraid that the pie is limited Wella Jul 2015 #99

So work to change hearts and minds. ibegurpard Jul 2015 #88

Which one of the people JackInGreen Jul 2015 #90

That's the other false equivalence argument that comes up ibegurpard Jul 2015 #93

I always thought the fallacy in thought there JackInGreen Jul 2015 #98

sorry I have no interest in helping you promote ibegurpard Jul 2015 #100

You obviously didn't read OP or any of the information provided there JackInGreen Jul 2015 #102

"A philosophy that has been typically objectifying, degrading, and damaging to women" Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #157

"Piggyback on gay marriage"? The legal arguments have a great deal of overlap. Wella Jul 2015 #91

make the case ibegurpard Jul 2015 #95

The social case--the legal one has pretty much already been made. Wella Jul 2015 #96

No it hasnt ibegurpard Jul 2015 #106

You're talking again about the social case, not about the legal argumentation Wella Jul 2015 #117

My understanding is that TM99 Jul 2015 #134

Why don't you start an OP ibegurpard Jul 2015 #146

Wow. TM99 Jul 2015 #149

you have a.completely warped view of bisexuality ibegurpard Jul 2015 #182

Are you obtuse? TM99 Jul 2015 #185

Hmmm...you came right out and said it - good. I've come to the same opinion... nt jonno99 Jul 2015 #188

I'm not the obtuse one here. ibegurpard Jul 2015 #209

Oh FFS! TM99 Jul 2015 #210

I wasn't the one conflating ibegurpard Jul 2015 #217

You are too funny. TM99 Jul 2015 #218

Poloponies deserve a defense pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #104

Polymarriage deserves a defense? Maybe. But that defense is not and will never be Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #105

Both gay marriage and polymarriage are based on extending marriage rights Wella Jul 2015 #113

How dare you? How dare you take that tone with me? Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #116

Hit a nerve, did I? Now you're the excluder of the rest of us. Wella Jul 2015 #119

You, madam/ sir, are a homophobe for compairing homosexuality with bigamy. Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #122

You are a polyphobe. Using the word "bigamy" for polymarriage Wella Jul 2015 #124

I'd rather be called a polyphobe than give any credence to the homophobic memes Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #126

Your polyphobic memes are insulting and I'm frankly tired of them. Wella Jul 2015 #128

You are taking away my dignity by implying that my committed relationship Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #130

Dig this thread: Wella has a whole different point of view going on...in a thread standing with us Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #159

Ha! Now there is a clear right-wing talking point of ever I heard one. Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #196

Let's take a look at a comment from you about same sex marriage from the OP 'A Message to Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #150

You sure about that? SpartanDem Jul 2015 #206

That doesn't change the fact that it was wrong for the right wing to suggest Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #214

You're still on this tripe? romanic Jul 2015 #114

You win for the most narcissistic post on the thread. Wella Jul 2015 #129

Why are you spamming us here with all these threads on polygamy though? RiverLover Jul 2015 #132

Whatever prizes you got. romanic Jul 2015 #142

so how many adults living under your roof currently? snooper2 Jul 2015 #167

+1 bravenak Jul 2015 #133

So if a bisexual man wishes TM99 Jul 2015 #135

I think JackInGreen Jul 2015 #137

I don't disagree. TM99 Jul 2015 #138

Standing together JackInGreen Jul 2015 #139

Very true! TM99 Jul 2015 #140

Um, No DiverDave Jul 2015 #136

^This^ GoneOffShore Jul 2015 #154

Sadly romanic Jul 2015 #166

My problem is not with polygamy, but with the timing. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #152

A thread to consider: In a thread titled 'A mesage to the DU LGBT Community' the OP had very Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #158

Wella's been here since August 2014 so less than a year riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #163

Good find^^^ everyone read this ^^^ Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #169

Why? it is taken out of context in an attempt at a gotcha Egnever Jul 2015 #177

You should read the entire thread, not just the parts excerpted, get all the context that exists Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #192

This is what became of the OP, the guy you are maligning me for. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #221

DUrec. PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #172

Says who? WinkyDink Jul 2015 #173

right wing trolls ibegurpard Jul 2015 #207

No you lazy bastards. You don't get to piggy-back on nigh a century of GLBT progress whatthehey Jul 2015 #174

Stated perfectly. bravenak Jul 2015 #175

Sounds like a passage from Ted Cruz's book. n/t Calista241 Jul 2015 #176

What does that mean, exactly? Orrex Jul 2015 #191

You seem very eager to regulate the behavior of consenting adults SpartanDem Jul 2015 #204

Well, that's an outright lie. Care to try again? Orrex Jul 2015 #215

Don't give a sparrow's fart about your behavior whatthehey Jul 2015 #219

Hi, I'm posting on Saturday the 10th to let you know that the OP you are defending was posted Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #225

+a million Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #178

Your bigotry is noted. backscatter712 Jul 2015 #199

Does GLBT progress stand alone? ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2015 #239

Better Believe It!!...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #183

This one's fooling nobody. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #197

Not interested. Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2015 #190

The governments of at least 2 ohheckyeah Jul 2015 #195

I can't speak for the other state Hydra Jul 2015 #202

What did you get done? ohheckyeah Jul 2015 #203

Not me personally Hydra Jul 2015 #205

I was disappointed, too. ohheckyeah Jul 2015 #212

then polymarriage advocates can defend it ibegurpard Jul 2015 #211

Are you asking us to agree with you? akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #213

Not one person in this or any other thread TM99 Jul 2015 #216

Your pal Wella has been PPR'd for running multiple sock accounts and posting under them while Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #222

That has no bearing on me or the other polys TM99 Jul 2015 #226

Well, 'the others' were also wella, several of them. And the rest of you could not tell a faked up Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #228

Yeah, I am so fucking done with you. TM99 Jul 2015 #230

Actual polyamorous LGBT people would not have done this mean ass crap, that's why a bunch of Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #234

Buh bye... SidDithers Jul 2015 #224

The poster was apparently a polyaccountist... n/t Godhumor Jul 2015 #227

Nicely done... SidDithers Jul 2015 #231

Oh snap. LAGC Jul 2015 #236