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herding cats

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41. I think it's going to be between he and Jeb for the Republican nomination.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:57 PM
Jul 2015

They're both going to be extremely well funded, and they're both a danger to the Democratic nominee in the GE.

If either, or both, of them can resonate with the Republican base enough to rally the troops, we're going to have a fight on our hands. Of the two of them, I actually think Walker can motivate their base better, it's what he does well, but Jeb has a better chance of pulling off winning the GE I'd think. Jeb has a chance at appealing to a broader array of voters than Walker. I still wouldn't discount Walker, though. If you can get the Republican's fired up against our candidate they can get a substantial amount of their voters to the polls who wold vote for a ham sandwich so long as it as a R behind it's name and not a D, things are going to be tough.

I was around for the 2000 election, when it was widely said the buffoon from Texas didn't have as much of a chance as he had brains in his head. Well, he won the nomination, and then he kept it tight enough that Florida swayed it for him in the GE. I know it came down to the Supreme Court ruling, but it was still due to Florida being so close. It wasn't Bush's personality, or his charisma that helped him, that's an excuse which came into play after he was elected, after 9/11, when people were validating their votes for him in my opinion. It was the simple fact that he wasn't a Democrat. No matter what was taking place in our country at the time, where the economy was, or if people were doing better than they had been 8 years before, if he was the right person to handle foreign affairs, etc. Republican's spent the entire previous two terms of Bill Clinton making the word Democrat a pejorative in the minds of specific people in this country. It resonated, and the end result was two wars, trillions of dollars in debt, two Supreme Court justices, housing bubble, economic collapse brought on by the financial crisis/scandal, and a subsequent recession which teetered on the cusp of another global depression.

After all that, there are too many American's who are no smarter than they were in 2000. Far too many. I will never again discount a seriously flawed Republican candidate by assuming the majority of voters actually use their brains, or even think about their own well being before voting. They don't care about their own well being, and they appear to have no ability to formulate theories for themselves if history is to be believed.

2016 is going to be more about that propaganda, and less about their candidate, I expect. Walker has strong support from the Koch brothers, so he's not out of it just because we find him to be devoid of normal emotions. They can get those from their base to blast alongside him in commercials if need be. Most voters don't watch the debates, or even the campaign speeches of the candidates. They see commercials on TV and they watch what the media and social media present to get a feel about their choices, that's all.

On Scott Walker [View all] H2O Man Jul 2015 OP
Well he does lie the loudest next to Trump SummerSnow Jul 2015 #1
I'm watching his speech. panader0 Jul 2015 #2
Good post! nt ladjf Jul 2015 #9
I watched part of his speech mcar Jul 2015 #15
Good points. H2O Man Jul 2015 #35
I have seen him, forthemiddle Jul 2015 #25
Interesting. H2O Man Jul 2015 #36
Yes, that is how I intended it forthemiddle Jul 2015 #47
He's never run in a competitive race. joshcryer Jul 2015 #50
it wasn't 2008 or 20012 levels forthemiddle Jul 2015 #54
Have you heard of Sen. Joni Ernst? IADEMO2004 Jul 2015 #51
I think very little of him. calimary Jul 2015 #3
If the American public H2O Man Jul 2015 #37
I I had an Old Sod to return to, I could... 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #80
"If the American public is paying attention..." progressoid Jul 2015 #81
Right now he doesn't even carry his own state BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #4
Thank you. H2O Man Jul 2015 #38
he carried WI 3 times as governor, i think he could find a way to do it again 0rganism Jul 2015 #44
He is NOT a gifted speaker flamingdem Jul 2015 #5
I listened to most of his speech-found it boring-probably because I heard so much of it before... riversedge Jul 2015 #27
I think that the H2O Man Jul 2015 #55
In that speech, he blew every damn dog whistle that... 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #6
Me too... despise at first sight... going to avoid his speeches in future JCMach1 Jul 2015 #10
He hit all the RW talking points mcar Jul 2015 #16
I believe your brother is incorrect on several points. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #7
Good post and points GusBob Jul 2015 #39
+1000 everything Velveteen said and more. Greybnk48 Jul 2015 #57
any of them can steal it again pstokely Jul 2015 #64
what a vile human being, the smarmy kid in school you wanted to see mauled by bears JCMach1 Jul 2015 #8
He certainly has an eminently punchable face. hifiguy Jul 2015 #13
Eddie Haskell. The Germans have a word for it: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #66
That is it: he's Eddie Haskell. hifiguy Jul 2015 #67
"You're looking lovely today, Mrs. Cleaver." The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #68
I take him seriously. I think he's the only Republican who could Cleita Jul 2015 #11
Right. H2O Man Jul 2015 #17
Rachel Maddow just nailed him. Cleita Jul 2015 #30
Thanks! H2O Man Jul 2015 #34
I caught the re-run. H2O Man Jul 2015 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Jul 2015 #30
He has the blessing and money of the Kochtopus. hifiguy Jul 2015 #12
"Nixonian scale" .... H2O Man Jul 2015 #49
'Kochtopus' FTW! KamaAina Jul 2015 #76
I'm a proud Wisconsin Democrat. What do I think of him? PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #14
I can guess. H2O Man Jul 2015 #18
I think he's evil and skilled at mustering up evil in voters. PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #21
Interesting. H2O Man Jul 2015 #22
Maybe? I think he'll be attacked by there media and that could PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #23
Where in Wisconsin, PeaceNikki? 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #40
I am in the infamous Waukesha County, Lake Country. PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #72
Is that the county that magically keeps finding uncounted votes on computers... 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #73
Some of my bestest IRL friends are folks I have met here. PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #74
I am fortunate enough to only work... 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #75
I think he looks stupid, too, Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #43
I'm with you PeaceNikki Worried senior Jul 2015 #70
He is the most formidable of the current crop of GOP candidates. Agschmid Jul 2015 #19
I agree. H2O Man Jul 2015 #20
Walker matches up nearly perfectly with the average Repub voter n2doc Jul 2015 #24
Very important information. H2O Man Jul 2015 #56
i guess scott walker proves that even the insanely inept can dream of being president too. spanone Jul 2015 #26
There have been H2O Man Jul 2015 #58
...or donald trump...???? spanone Jul 2015 #59
Yikes! H2O Man Jul 2015 #61
He's an ugly meanspirited idiot carrying water for the Kochs and their ilk. ananda Jul 2015 #28
Almost word for word H2O Man Jul 2015 #29
A shitweasel who continues to fill hifiguy Jul 2015 #69
^^What you said^^ abakan Jul 2015 #77
If God forbid he gets elected - then we'll REALLY LiberalElite Jul 2015 #32
It would show H2O Man Jul 2015 #60
I haven't looked at polls in over a month JonLP24 Jul 2015 #33
You raise key points. H2O Man Jul 2015 #62
I think it's going to be between he and Jeb for the Republican nomination. herding cats Jul 2015 #41
Absolutely on target! H2O Man Jul 2015 #63
Doesn't he have some legal improprieties Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #42
he's as dangerous a ratfucker as ever walked the planet 0rganism Jul 2015 #45
This will make the race even less predictable nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #46
Cellophane-wrapped cossetted little candyface puppet. raging moderate Jul 2015 #52
Maybe why he is so pasty white hankthecrank Jul 2015 #65
Maybe no reflection in... 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #78
Anything can happen HassleCat Jul 2015 #53
He's an imminent threat to all life, just like every other republican candidate. Zorra Jul 2015 #71
Agree that he's the strongest GOP candidate scrabblequeen40 Jul 2015 #79
Hey, scrabblequeen40! progressoid Jul 2015 #82
Image Octafish Jul 2015 #83
His eyes may appear to hypnotized by zombie Reagan.. libpride_15 Jul 2015 #84
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