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In reply to the discussion: Don't link to COUNTERPUNCH. It's a far-RW racist trojan horse (No Click On It) [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)33. An interesting contradiction in the linked article
In the course of her discussion of various ideologies, the author writes:
This worldview was usefully termed conspiracism in Chip Berlets 1994 work Right Woos Left (RWL). Although Berlet himself is not immune to the sort of wooing from the right (and has been a vocal and dishonest defender, inter alia, of Engage propagandist David Hirsh), steadfastly refusing to apply his analysis to Zionist ideology and propaganda, his work remains worth citing as one of the best analyses of the Querfront phenomenon and its consequences, particularly in the US.
She then quotes from Berlet extensively.
Now, I'm not knowledgeable about Querfront or Engage or David Hirsh, but I can take one lesson from this passage. It's that, in the author's view, someone can be dishonest and obtuse on one subject yet insightful and worth quoting on another subject.
I consider Paul Craig Roberts a perfect example. He's written some things that I found very informative, and other things that are completely loopy.
If this is true of one individual, it's even more true of a website that publishes articles from different people. For example, are we now not allowed to cite anything in The New York Times, because it sometimes publishes opinion columns that are right-wing drivel? Well, like Counterpunch, it also publishes Noam Chomsky. (At least, it once published one letter to the editor from him. Given his scathing criticisms of the Times, he's probably not on its pages often, but Paul Krugman certainly is, and he gets quoted and linked to on DU a lot.)
One approach we could take is to emulate the Catholic Church and have our own Index Librorum Prohibitorum (List of Prohibited Books), although we'll have to update it to List of Prohibited Websites. But, c'mon, even the Catholic Church has outgrown that, having abolished the Index in 1966.
The other approach is that we apply some intelligence and critical judgment. This means that Roberts might sometimes be right and Krugman might sometimes be wrong. This lacks the comforting simplicity of the Index. Accepting such complexity, however, is how sensible adults deal with a complex world.
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Don't link to COUNTERPUNCH. It's a far-RW racist trojan horse (No Click On It) [View all]
uhnope
Jul 2015
OP
You should read more. CounterPunch gives you news and info you won't find anywhere else.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#8
No, the OP says that there are way more wingnut/racist pigs posting there than there are lefties.
MADem
Jul 2015
#103
Counterpunch - How crypto-fascists and white nationalists are infiltrating progressive circles
kfreed
Dec 2015
#158
I like what he wrote about Don Siegelman and the ''corrupt Bush administration.''
Octafish
Jul 2015
#15
I haven't confirmed shit for you. Nor have you shown where you posted once in support of Siegelman.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#18
And if making up your mind is predicated in part on right wing and racist editorials
LanternWaste
Jul 2015
#148
No, just telling me to shut up is enough for me to see what kind of ''DUer'' posts, LanternWaste.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#149
Who would've guessed a Putin and Maduro apologia rag would be home to racist pieces of shit?
NuclearDem
Jul 2015
#5
VDare? Ugh! And PCR is an Infowars, JBS type. And unrepentant father of Reaganomics. Double Ugh. n/t
freshwest
Jul 2015
#7
Posters who insist on linking to that shit after they've been told about it should be banned.
NuclearDem
Jul 2015
#10
Never said it did. You must be used to putting words in other people's mouths.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#23
Absolutely--ND wins, OF comes off looking really bad, and JBerry gets a "Chuckles" prize for the
MADem
Jul 2015
#104
Is there some reason you're interested in linking to a front for white supremacists?
NuclearDem
Jul 2015
#14
There is no wonder about it, everyone here has noticed that too and yet the narrative goes on.
Rex
Jul 2015
#81
Jeff Blankfort is NO White Supremacist! His name does belong on that list and should be
2banon
Jul 2015
#68
Well you know how the Outraged here are always that way about others that are outraged!
Rex
Jul 2015
#84
BTW: The ''meldungen-aus-dem-exil.noblogs.org'' in the OP seems racist against Palestinians.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#30
Lists! Yes! Please add the New York Times to our Index Librorum Prohibitorum.
Karmadillo
Jul 2015
#47
Why are you guys so insistent on being able to link to white supremacists here?
NuclearDem
Jul 2015
#53
Authoritarians need to reaffirm for themselves occasionally their followers are still active and
polly7
Jul 2015
#135
Paul Craig Roberts, the first name on that list, is an anti-immigration white supremacist...
SidDithers
Jul 2015
#60
Please Remove Jeff Blankfort's name. He is Far Left, he's not RW. I know him personally.
2banon
Jul 2015
#63
Please don't think I think that Beltway Wisdom is the center and that deviating from it makes ...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#75
I have always thought that Counterpunch is an unselectively anti-establishment site that includes
LeftishBrit
Jul 2015
#93
Israel Shamir is a disgusting anti-Semite, and was used as a source on this site to defend Assange.
msanthrope
Jul 2015
#95
Why did Assange feel the need then to have his employee write such a disgusting defense?
msanthrope
Jul 2015
#100
Oh obviously, not wanting Paul Craig Roberts posted on DU means I just looooove Karl Rove.
tammywammy
Jul 2015
#131
Calling out white supremacist websites is just like the Holocaust and is anti-Democraticy!
Major Nikon
Jul 2015
#134
Presumably, if Stormfront published far Left Progressives, then linking to Stormfront....
shira
Jul 2015
#152
To some it seems like as long as that specific article isn't racist/anti-Semitic/homophobic
tammywammy
Jul 2015
#155
The people crying censorship don't seem to understand how these sites make money.
NuclearDem
Jul 2015
#156
+1. Looks like CP took the place of the crap that used to get posted here from wsws.
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2015
#153