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In reply to the discussion: H2O Man Survey #39 [View all]

herding cats

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23. Sometimes I hate you as much as I love you for what you make me address.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jul 2015

Last edited Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:58 AM - Edit history (1)

I'll settle for saying I appreciate you for making me think. That seems fair.

Based on the premise of your question, which isn't an easy one to address, I have to say I think we're losing a culture war of some sort.

We're plagued with poorly, and untreated mental illnesses, some of which are severe, even though most are not. Certain areas of our society are preying on, and inflaming the more vulnerable ones among us. It works to their advantage when they're exploiting them for their specific reasons. Not so much when they push one of the most vulnerable ones past their breaking point, but then they tend to deny and distance themselves from those people. Leaving no lasting scars on them in our extremely short-sighted society. That's a sad reality of where we are and who we are at this point in time. If you're deemed to have fallen within the "spectrum" your actions will be easily forgotten.

I suspect we're a bunch of manipulated fools. Fighting the wrong fights over and over again, to the same tragic ends. Never bothering to address the real problems in our society because they're too complicated. The hate and the anger which is being used by some to fuel an ideology sets us on edge. Never actually thinking about the vulnerable people who are being exploited beyond that they're not on "our side" or the thought process. Because that's what it's about all too often. You're with us, or you're not. Not you're being exploited by "them," whoever they may be. There's more than one of "them" out there in this country for what it may be worth. We lose our empathy at times when the weak ones being exploited aren't in agreement with us. At least I do, to my shame

Is it genetic? No, I don't think so. It would be easy to pretend it was such, but I suspect it's also dishonest. I think it's a symptom of multiple flaws in our culture. The cure to the problem is going to be an entire overhaul in how we deal with more than one thing. The problem is we don't seem to be willing to evolve to the point, as a culture, to even acknowledge that we're flawed. That we're broken as a society. That's too painful to acknowledge. We keep wanting to look for one or two easy things to blame, depending on our ideology. Then when we can't agree on the cause, we keep twisting the issue into something different. Too often then creating a wedge issue from it. Even if it's not the real issue that we're facing. It works, and it's easier to sell to your specific target demographic. So, it becomes the new reality. I suspect that works for the politicians, and its leaps and bounds easier than actually looking deeper and trying to find a sustainable cure to the problems plaguing us as a society. Which no one is actually even attempting to address in depth. Even us, the people. At least not as a majority.

In summation; I'm as lost as most people. I have no clue how to affect any sort of real change. Even if I can feel that there are real problems. I wish I were wiser, I want to be wiser, but I don't know how to fix what ails us as a society.

ETA: I want to say I know you have a personal experience in how violence effects a family. I hope my words don't feel too flippant to you considering what your family has been forced to deal with. Just because I don't know how to fix what's wrong with us, as a society, does not mean I don't feel deep empathy for those who have suffered horrific losses from the current level of hate and violence. Please, know that.

Peace and respect to you.

H2O Man Survey #39 [View all] H2O Man Jul 2015 OP
I feel strongly that acknowledging and changing the way this country feels about race, its culture Brickbat Jul 2015 #1
Great answer -- thanks! H2O Man Jul 2015 #3
Definitely lots of overlap -- which makes it hard, because so many people just want to focus on one Brickbat Jul 2015 #8
Very important points. H2O Man Jul 2015 #36
Cultural and very little Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #2
Interesting and well-said. H2O Man Jul 2015 #7
Too many people NV Whino Jul 2015 #10
there are far more densely populated places than here Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #37
I have been to countries far more dense and a lot less violent.in fact USA is wide open spaces Person 2713 Jul 2015 #53
I think it is lack of economic opportunity notadmblnd Jul 2015 #4
Huge. H2O Man Jul 2015 #9
Part of it is always demographics, part of it is likely environmental lead Warpy Jul 2015 #5
Interesting. H2O Man Jul 2015 #38
Yeah, imagine being a cop, belt loaded with gear to abuse your fellow citizens, Warpy Jul 2015 #41
Right. H2O Man Jul 2015 #45
I'll give it a go. There is a high level of stress in this country right from shraby Jul 2015 #6
Good answer! H2O Man Jul 2015 #39
Great questions! Its economics, with unregulated capitolism, IMHO. kydo Jul 2015 #11
Gun ownership is just too fucking simple in too many places... catnhatnh Jul 2015 #12
heck, the planet's actual murder capital feels sorry for us at this point MisterP Jul 2015 #13
I think there's quite a few reasons. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #14
Funny and true routine, thanks! Warpy Jul 2015 #28
I have to fall back on Justice Louis Brandeis. Downwinder Jul 2015 #15
I found some interested statistics.... CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #16
Purest speculation, but I believe it is worth considering... Zorra Jul 2015 #17
Man is an adaptable creature... kentuck Jul 2015 #18
IMO part of it is the way we educate our young in today's United States. Tommymac Jul 2015 #19
Every man a king in his own right... ellisonz Jul 2015 #20
IMO, it's a genetic issue. We have a too varied genetic pool and our melting CK_John Jul 2015 #21
A lot of good replies in this thread Hydra Jul 2015 #22
Sometimes I hate you as much as I love you for what you make me address. herding cats Jul 2015 #23
Gun violence sets us apart from our cultural peers. hay rick Jul 2015 #24
Depends on who you consider our "cultural peers" Recursion Jul 2015 #31
I suggest we look first to Lord of the Flies... Thespian2 Jul 2015 #25
And A Brave New World awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #50
Good point Thespian2 Jul 2015 #51
We also have to look into police violence. Unknown Beatle Jul 2015 #26
Many other countries also have better health care outcomes (and for far less money). merrily Jul 2015 #27
Culturally, we're a nation of toddlers. blogslut Jul 2015 #29
We aren't particularly world standouts for violence rates Recursion Jul 2015 #30
What Brickbat said plus malaise Jul 2015 #32
We have a cottage industry of hate in this country. Vinca Jul 2015 #33
Many poignant and profound contributions PuraVidaDreamin Jul 2015 #34
A major problem: the existence of the Second Amendment. Nay Jul 2015 #35
I'm not sure about that CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #44
Lead JonLP24 Jul 2015 #40
don't know the primary causes G_j Jul 2015 #42
Inequality of Income and Depression of Citizen's Rights. KoKo Jul 2015 #43
Testosterone n/t Holly_Hobby Jul 2015 #46
Clever apes in complex systems Fairgo Jul 2015 #47
We have looked at the issue carefully nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #48
If a politician is receiving funds fadedrose Jul 2015 #49
The US has literally always been at war. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #52
America has been an aggressively violent country since day one MrScorpio Jul 2015 #54
I may be ridiculed for my comment but at least am honest! akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #55
I think it is, for the most part, a cultural problem. LWolf Jul 2015 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Alkene Jul 2015 #57
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