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51. Have no problem with hunting

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 12:56 PM

Jul 2015

This was not hunting. This was a canned hunt where a lion which was used to the presence of people was lured into a spot where he could be ambushed.

I feel about this the way I feel about people who lease land and spread deer corn around and then kill the deer from a deer stand while they're feeding. That is not hunting.

The only saving grace of the deer killers is that at least they eat their kill.

This jack hole killed for a trophy. This is the latest in a series of kills that he is very proud of. He has killed a leopard, a bear (for which he was charged with bagging illegally but let off with a years probation), a rhino, and a beautiful elk... He also got a writeup in either the New York Times or the New Yorker as some sort of bow hunter extraordinaire. He had already bagged a lion, but I bet Cecil's head was going to make a better trophy. The other lion didn't look as good.

He's not right in the head.

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My family are hunters. I'd like to talk to you about hunting and what I know about hunting [View all] LynneSin Jul 2015 OP

K&R Go Vols Jul 2015 #1

I'm vegan but agree with you gwheezie Jul 2015 #2

With the changes in labeling country of orgin for the meat sold in stores LynneSin Jul 2015 #5

I evolved gwheezie Jul 2015 #16

I hunt precisely because of that connection. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #32

Well said! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #65

Well said, one more step to go - drop the "If"... bananas Jul 2015 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author goonk298 Jul 2015 #142

We are way too separated from our food. Killing is part and parcel to it. We won't.... marble falls Jul 2015 #59

+1 AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #66

Black Fish and that butchering of that young giraffe at that zoo in Begium really added.... marble falls Jul 2015 #68

You and your family have permission to hunt on our land anytime during season you choose. bvar22 Jul 2015 #100

That's just like our place.... paleotn Jul 2015 #121

Your deer are like our moose. Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #143

animals break my back roguevalley Jul 2015 #101

I don't think you understood the OP, but thanks for sharing your righteous outrage. n/t FourScore Jul 2015 #106

I edited it three times. I get roguevalley Jul 2015 #107

You're basically saying all hunting is trophy hunting... FourScore Jul 2015 #109

I didn't say either. what a load that you believe I dont abhore factory farms. bite me about the roguevalley Jul 2015 #111

I re-read your post ande it doesn't say factory farming is okay. My bad. But you are FourScore Jul 2015 #112

I think you and I have come from two different parts of the country LynneSin Jul 2015 #114

I wonder if... 2naSalit Jul 2015 #118

Rogue, you must LOVE Don Young's office decor then. Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #144

And yet the vast majority of the meat that people eat in the US comes from factory farms oberliner Jul 2015 #119

Agreed. I don't get animal lovers who eat the meat of animals that were literally tortured. prayin4rain Jul 2015 #127

Each generation decides what cruelty they will tolerate... tecelote Jul 2015 #133

I'm a vegan and I get the difference. a la izquierda Jul 2015 #3

When I first posted this I was worried I'd get some judgemental folks however.. LynneSin Jul 2015 #8

I wouldn't be surprised to discover a direct correlation between economic affluence and the desire t AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #33

I agree with you. Lifelong Protester Jul 2015 #36

Hunting for food I have no problem with. Hunting for bragging rights or a trophy is bullshit. still_one Jul 2015 #4

I would never hunt, but don't judge hunters KatyMan Jul 2015 #6

I'm like you. I could never kill an animal, not even lower species of animals like shellfish LynneSin Jul 2015 #11

It's definitely a conundrum, isn't it? KatyMan Jul 2015 #14

I have no problems with hunting provided sub.theory Jul 2015 #7

I have a small clarification for #2 LynneSin Jul 2015 #9

Trophy hunting is trophy hunting. Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #23

I think apex predators should be off-limits. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #34

They had wild boar up in NC Pennsylvania LynneSin Jul 2015 #38

Yeah, they are super mean. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #67

I would add a slight exception..... Adrahil Jul 2015 #78

As a vegan I have more respect for hunters Codeine Jul 2015 #10

As a meat eater..... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #12

Trophy hunters are scum. Iggo Jul 2015 #13

+1000. nt onehandle Jul 2015 #17

+1,000 !!! CountAllVotes Jul 2015 #44

I agree. Until 2010, I was a copy editor for outdoors magazines RebelOne Jul 2015 #62

...^ that 840high Jul 2015 #99

Trophy hunting is 100% about ego, and the most pathological kinds of ego. phantom power Jul 2015 #15

Another Point of View Worth Considering Herman4747 Jul 2015 #18

+1000! darkangel218 Jul 2015 #19

EXACTLY. slumcamper Jul 2015 #30

I agree with you 100% LynneSin Jul 2015 #40

I haven't been gigging in years. xmas74 Jul 2015 #103

Really? Lurker Deluxe Jul 2015 #53

Nuisance animals? SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2015 #128

This would vary by region. sybylla Jul 2015 #136

Perfectly said. Ineeda Jul 2015 #58

Love these quotes. Duppers Jul 2015 #96

Outstanding post! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #20

Show me this animal that you say "really need to be shot" diverdownjt Jul 2015 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #130

My personal attitude discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #21

We are not hunters, but are very glad to permit our neighbors to hunt on our property. hedgehog Jul 2015 #22

Most farmers welcome hunters on their land LynneSin Jul 2015 #41

why are vegetarians not allowed to judge hunting (just kidding.) La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #24

Technically vegetarians still use product from animals including leather LynneSin Jul 2015 #43

Many vegetarians, myself included, use no nimal products, including leather, HERVEPA Jul 2015 #55

wouldn't that make you vegan? LynneSin Jul 2015 #60

don't want to speak for anyone else here restorefreedom Jul 2015 #80

no because vegans also avoid milk and eggs and honey La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #83

Fish my dad caught, and later fish we ourselves caught were a major source of protein... hunter Jul 2015 #25

#notallhunters quizzle Jul 2015 #26

My uncle was a "hunter" packman Jul 2015 #27

For many years I didn't allow any hunting on my farm csziggy Jul 2015 #28

Killing what you eat is different than killing for sport dorkzilla Jul 2015 #29

not a vegan, but I have absolutely no problem with the people who hunt for food. trophy niyad Jul 2015 #31

This is what I know zipplewrath Jul 2015 #35

I wouldn't hunt myself, but I have no problems with people who eat what they hunt MiniMe Jul 2015 #37

Thanks for posting such a thoughtful piece. flamin lib Jul 2015 #39

Everything I've read so far makes it quite clear that Zimbabwe is rife with corruption. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2015 #116

Anyone who needs a picture sitting by a killed animal is weird in my book. Nt Logical Jul 2015 #42

The picture I prefer is the family sitting around the table enjoying the dinner from eating it LynneSin Jul 2015 #47

Reminds me of the ISIS sub-humans who stand there in front Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #131

I agree ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #45

If I could, I'd only eat meat that I have harvested. safeinOhio Jul 2015 #46

The killing of the lion bothers me, but what bothers me even more... Initech Jul 2015 #48

Not to mention he shot the lion with an arrow that did not kill him. redstatebluegirl Jul 2015 #88

I beleive the lion was lured out with bait as well... MatthewStLouis Jul 2015 #138

All Life Lives at the Expense of Other Life TygrBright Jul 2015 #49

Well said chessmister Jul 2015 #113

Trophy hunting TNNurse Jul 2015 #50

Have no problem with hunting Moral Compass Jul 2015 #51

I don't hunt but I agree that hunting for food is moral and natural. Kablooie Jul 2015 #52

Thank you for your thoughtful post cp Jul 2015 #54

Do you have a take on what motivates "trophy hunting?" DirkGently Jul 2015 #56

Another question: Is it culture or testosterone? PassingFair Jul 2015 #97

I don't know too many women who trophy hunt xmas74 Jul 2015 #104

More like privilege. DirkGently Jul 2015 #140

Oh yes, I will judge hunters Joey Liberal Jul 2015 #57

do you eat meat? LynneSin Jul 2015 #61

+1 Go Vols Jul 2015 #72

I think he's talking about hunters who hunt for food vs sport apnu Jul 2015 #64

A couple things.... Adrahil Jul 2015 #79

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #63

+10000000 My family have been hunters. fishers, and farmers on both sides, Zorra Jul 2015 #69

So it seems we DON'T have to be 100% vegan to get judgy about hunting. Orsino Jul 2015 #70

I was worried everyone was going to jump on me for supporting hunting LynneSin Jul 2015 #115

We all kill in order to eat. What's your method? Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #73

Your attempt to make this about agriculture is an epic fail. chalmers Jul 2015 #74

+1 million darkangel218 Jul 2015 #110

Thanks to LynneSin for posting on this polarizing subject. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #75

In some cases (particularly for invasive species such as pigs) they are doing a very good thing. alarimer Jul 2015 #76

well put. we used to hunt birds (quail, dove, duck and even geese) arely staircase Jul 2015 #77

Venison really matters where you hunt the game LynneSin Jul 2015 #85

that makes sense. i actually ate antelope and liked it arely staircase Jul 2015 #91

Nice call about hunting into the Thom Hartmann show this morning. Cleita Jul 2015 #81

My father was the same way with my fishing LynneSin Jul 2015 #86

I think a lot of the reaction about Cecil restorefreedom Jul 2015 #82

I'm not a hunter, but I agree with you. So does Bernie Sanders. fbc Jul 2015 #84

thats pretty much what my pro gun nut brother said... PatrynXX Jul 2015 #87

K&R Scuba Jul 2015 #89

I'll take this one step further passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #90

I don't understand how someone can feed their dog or cat a vegan diet LynneSin Jul 2015 #92

As it is now passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #93

Yup. Everything you said. DU has this discussion at least once a year. PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #94

Most hunters, like most people, are human supremacists. Vattel Jul 2015 #95

As someone who also grew up in rural PA in a family that included some hunters . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #98

I'm originally from Perry County LynneSin Jul 2015 #120

And I gave it up to live in NYC . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #123

I'd love to live in NYC LynneSin Jul 2015 #134

It has been interesting to have a foot in both worlds, so to speak . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #148

Unrec melman Jul 2015 #102

+1 darkangel218 Jul 2015 #108

And baiting is usually illegal except under certain controlled circumstances. FourScore Jul 2015 #105

Perhaps the good dentist should be made to snort Jul 2015 #117

I completely agree.... paleotn Jul 2015 #122

I understand what you're saying, but please don't call hunting a sport. There's nothing Flaxbee Jul 2015 #124

CORRECT Skittles Jul 2015 #126

I may have skipped a few responses sorcrow Jul 2015 #125

Real hunting The Jungle 1 Jul 2015 #132

You have described my family to a tee. sybylla Jul 2015 #135

Having married into a family of hunters I fully agree underpants Jul 2015 #137

I will never understand anyone who finds killing to be entertainment Skittles Jul 2015 #141

I read the post to which you replied and the OP and nowhere in either post did I see the word Snobblevitch Jul 2015 #146

I am always amazed at the level of outrage for cruelty to animals. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #139

Hunters in Missouri leftyladyfrommo Jul 2015 #145

I have no problem with hunting for food. roamer65 Jul 2015 #147