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In reply to the discussion: Shit. Jeb beats Hillary in a match up of all voters [View all]still_one
(92,187 posts)77. You don't think independents are significant? They make or break elections. The stats you quote
are adding another variable, asking an independent where they lean more toward, the Democrats or the republicans, and "leaning" is NOT a solid given. They are independent because they don't subscribe to either the republican party or the Democratic party.
I am not going to argue the point with you. You have your view, I have mine
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Not what Hillary supporters have been tellin us about the polls for months now, i.e., how Hillary beats all comers.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2015
#30
and not what Bernie supporters have been telling us either, because bush wins by 5 points over
still_one
Jul 2015
#35
I don't think we will though. The problem is I think this poll is using the model that assumes
still_one
Jul 2015
#46
That is a CNN Poll NOT the quinnipiac poll, which is what this thread is about. You are clever to
still_one
Jul 2015
#69
I think the latest poll, which is the quinnipac poll is an outlier. Both Hillary and Bernie lose in
still_one
Jul 2015
#79
Yes, there is NO way a real poll where repubs arent oversampled does Hillary
AllFieldsRequired
Jul 2015
#126
Independents are what have been determining elections. Most republicans do not vote for Democrats,
still_one
Jul 2015
#71
You don't think independents are significant? They make or break elections. The stats you quote
still_one
Jul 2015
#77
All but 10% of "independents" consistently vote along party lines to almost the same degree
seaglass
Jul 2015
#97
OK, I will take yours and VanillaRhapsody's assessment that most independents are not truly independents. However,
still_one
Jul 2015
#111
THAT IS NOT THE LATEST POLL, That is from July 26, 2010. The poll in THIS THREAD is from July 30th
still_one
Jul 2015
#78
Q seems to be the only poll with the Republicans at any kind of advantage for next year's race.
Proud Liberal Dem
Jul 2015
#87
They polled 681 Dems and 710 Rethugs and even then got a result well within the margin of error. n/t
pnwmom
Jul 2015
#21
Really.. thanks for that, 1StrongBlackMan. And, is Quinnipiac even one of those trusted
Cha
Jul 2015
#55
it's silly to pretend it's "flawed" only when it gives you what you don't want to hear...
Scootaloo
Jul 2015
#118
Actually you should. it's a good way to maintain sanity during primary season.
Scootaloo
Jul 2015
#125
Per 1 person's statement? hahahahaha, don't make me laugh. We are months away from Election day
trueblue2007
Jul 2015
#4
Then they are using the same model they used in 2012, assuming that more republican will show up
still_one
Jul 2015
#27
Couple that with the under-representation of, both, Affrican-American and Hispanic voters ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jul 2015
#109
Ugh...thanks for being an actual responder vs. the same ole same ole - "it's too
Laura PourMeADrink
Jul 2015
#39
Canada is about to have a national election. The campaign season will be an astonishing 10 weeks long
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#7
Money can't turn an election campaign that's three months long, Long enough to get excited.
Monk06
Jul 2015
#65
Actually considering only a 1 point difference with an over sampling of republicans bodes quite well
still_one
Jul 2015
#38
Protip: Corporate Dems usually wait until their corporate candidate loses to blame the left.
Marr
Jul 2015
#22
Obama withstood Hillary tag-team hammering him with John McCain 3 months after
AtomicKitten
Jul 2015
#28
Well...can not help, for sure. She's got no enthusiasm behind her. nt
Laura PourMeADrink
Jul 2015
#40
The poll over sampled republicans. What is significant, even with that there is only a 1 point gap
still_one
Jul 2015
#45
Oh, yes. The "extreme left" -- those who don't like Repub-lite. How dare they!
Arugula Latte
Jul 2015
#48
This poll sampled 681 Democrats and 710 Rethugs. So, surprise, surprise, they favored Bush.
pnwmom
Jul 2015
#16
Fortunately, most DUers aren't that gullible. They know how to dig into the fine print.
pnwmom
Jul 2015
#72
that's called a statistical tie, its MoE. Benie actually loses outside the MoE
ericson00
Jul 2015
#18
And they included more Rethugs than Dems in their poll. So naturally it tilted toward Bush. n/t
pnwmom
Jul 2015
#20
I think it is so true here - and on the other side as well - that whenever a poll
Laura PourMeADrink
Jul 2015
#100
point taken ! Probably should have qualified with "close" or "neck in neck". I totally
Laura PourMeADrink
Jul 2015
#116
Yes. I think we continue to have a very close split between the parties and we'll have to
pnwmom
Jul 2015
#122
People who have been basing their entire political outlook on polls already for two years or more
TheKentuckian
Jul 2015
#85
Fortunately the Republican electorate mostly hates him, particularly the far right wing of the GOP.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#112
Given the irresponsible nature of our media and the confused, anxious state of our citizenry,
MBS
Jul 2015
#131
But it's not even true. Even though the polled more Rethugs than Dems -- which no one
pnwmom
Aug 2015
#147
You are absolutely right. We will have to fight as hard as we can for a huge turnout
pnwmom
Aug 2015
#151