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trof

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Thu Aug 6, 2015, 07:14 PM Aug 2015

Why Many Muslims Hate the West. (You probably won't read this post.) [View all]

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/08/05/why-many-muslims-hate-the-west/

You won't read it, I know.

It's very long and a bit scholarly.
It starts at the dawn of what we call civilization and explains why and how humans began to gather together in groups.

And why we started to not get along.
I found it fascinating.

You want a quote?

OK.
"The issue of terrorist attacks on America has been so politically sensitive that most commentators have simply wrapped themselves in the flag and closed their eyes and ears. Yet, even in fairy tales, ostriches were never saved by burying their heads in the sand. It is not a good defensive posture and it wouldn’t be wise for real-life Americans to behave like make-believe ostriches.

If we want to be safe rather than sorry in the dangerous world we now inhabit, we need to be clear-headed, logical and informed. Those characteristics do not arise from anger or impulsiveness. They can arise only from sober assessment of causes and intelligent evaluation of possible actions. Achieving these qualities has become ever more necessary because we face an uncertain and increasingly complex future."


'Clear-headed, logical and informed.'
Well, good luck to the U.S. populace on that.


But if you'd like to read a very good take on why we are where we are with terrorism now, this is your guy.

If we had an anchor gif, I'd put it here.
This will sink like an anvil.
Peace.
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It won't malaise Aug 2015 #1
I skimmed it, Blue_In_AK Aug 2015 #2
CHeck out the comments as well malaise Aug 2015 #6
Thank you. trof Aug 2015 #9
some of the best thought provoking threads sink like a stone on DU olddots Aug 2015 #3
It would also be good to cross post it ... KoKo Aug 2015 #4
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #33
K&R. silverweb Aug 2015 #5
I know and I get all of this, but my question has to be "What about women?" CTyankee Aug 2015 #7
OK, I don't understand. trof Aug 2015 #8
If we don't understand this in terms of the treatment of women in that society what CTyankee Aug 2015 #12
Women as subseviant in most religions/cultures? trof Aug 2015 #17
Yes, the last part of this piece is supportive of feminism. Good for the author! CTyankee Aug 2015 #53
Interesting article. denbot Aug 2015 #10
A region with tragic history. That's partly why I was against the Iraq war vote. Gregorian Aug 2015 #11
Interesting read. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #13
this may be oversimplistic, totally recent, and ignores Israel, but MisterP Aug 2015 #14
I read it. Interesting stuff. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #15
I read the post hfojvt Aug 2015 #16
Interesting read. (Yes, I read the whole thing) Solly Mack Aug 2015 #18
Finished it this morning malaise Aug 2015 #55
If you don't want this to sink, you might include an excerpt or two. randome Aug 2015 #19
#NotAllWesterners seveneyes Aug 2015 #20
I was going to read it but I didn't want to prove you wrong. George II Aug 2015 #21
The Dangerous World That We Now Inhabit: Brought to us by the Bush Family Evil Empire of DhhD Aug 2015 #22
As if a 1500 year old war against those not of the "correct" religion has fuck all to do with the US seveneyes Aug 2015 #23
Agreed sub.theory Aug 2015 #60
"Nationalism and what was called 'Arab Socialism' failed. All that was left was religion." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #24
Religion doesn't seem to be workin' too well for them either. n/t Throd Aug 2015 #27
Clear headed and logical is always the best approach to take. hifiguy Aug 2015 #25
k&r uppityperson Aug 2015 #26
I searched the whole article and did not find "they hate us for our freedoms." tclambert Aug 2015 #28
Heart of Darkness sub.theory Aug 2015 #61
I don't take kindly to pre-emptive insults, so.....you're right. Peace. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #29
+1 snagglepuss Aug 2015 #69
One comment illuminates the major flaw in this essay: TygrBright Aug 2015 #30
Yes. The Big Three monotheisms were made up chiefly to control women. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #36
Abrahamic monotheism and laissez-faire capitalism hifiguy Aug 2015 #42
Agree! Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #44
DING! DING! DING! Raster Aug 2015 #50
Oh yes.....nt artislife Aug 2015 #65
Here! Here! Raster Aug 2015 #51
As Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson so pithily put it hifiguy Aug 2015 #71
You have a very good point. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Aug 2015 #58
I bookmarked it. alphafemale Aug 2015 #31
Another good quote... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #32
The sacrifice of humankind in the name of hifiguy Aug 2015 #43
I keep picturing UFOs landing and watching the missionaries line up. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #46
I sincerely hope that people like the Vulcans hifiguy Aug 2015 #48
bookmarked daleanime Aug 2015 #34
The God of Muhammad's Imagination, Allah, told them: Herman4747 Aug 2015 #35
I have gotten only a few paragraphs past the part you quoted SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #37
Here's another quote: A Round Tuit Aug 2015 #38
An excellent post. hifiguy Aug 2015 #47
For Later reading tnlurker Aug 2015 #39
Good Article has several "Simplifications" that people need to know, including slavery. happyslug Aug 2015 #40
All very accurate and excellent points. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #41
I already knew, but thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for posting. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #45
I could add to his commentary that we could have traded with them instead Hydra Aug 2015 #49
They hate themselves more than they hate the West. randome Aug 2015 #54
You didn't read it: bemildred Aug 2015 #56
Still doesn't change the fact that there is more infighting than hating the West. randome Aug 2015 #66
The trouble with victimhood apologetics whatthehey Aug 2015 #59
Thank you. Throd Aug 2015 #64
The Wahhabists and a 20th century hifiguy Aug 2015 #67
Wahhabists were promoted by the British as a compliant counter to those trouble making Sufis JCMach1 Aug 2015 #70
Why am I not surprised? hifiguy Aug 2015 #72
Again, oversimplified blame-whiteyism whatthehey Aug 2015 #73
And you fail to understand how the British promoted the Al Saud family and Wahhabism as an antidote JCMach1 Aug 2015 #77
Great read actually. Kicked and recommended. eom Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #62
Look south America just us Aug 2015 #63
K&R Scuba Aug 2015 #68
You have restored my faith in humankind. trof Aug 2015 #74
K & R... Wounded Bear Aug 2015 #75
The article is profound. Should make the GOP strategy obvious. Octafish Aug 2015 #76
They despise and execute gay people. We allow gay people to marry. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #78
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