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In reply to the discussion: Why Many Muslims Hate the West. (You probably won't read this post.) [View all]A Round Tuit
(88 posts)38. Here's another quote:
In one of the most colorful battles of all time, the gloriously dressed and splendidly mounted Mamluk horsemen of Egypt charged Napoleons artillery. They were not only slaughtered but humiliated. That was to be the fate of the Muslims in the centuries to follow.
Now, having been consistently beaten (in the opinion of the author), it would tend to explain why the radical Muslim (as we now define a radical Muslim) feels the need to terrorize and commit mayhem to make his point.
Additionally, the author has no explanation for certain passages in the Koran that tend to legitimize the destruction of infidels by the true believer, but does postulate that the elevation of Jesus Christ to a God-like status or as the Son of God by Christians is an offense punishable by death, via the word of Allah as given to Muhammad. Also, the Jewish belief is complete rejection of Jesus, whereas, the Muslim religion recognizes Him as a prophet. Therefore, kill the Christian, for they are blasphemers and kill the Jews because they have no conviction of belief in Jesus at any level.
The author put a lot of words on paper, when, in my opinion, he could have summed it all up by simply stating the obvious: Muslims (at least those that admit to it) wish to kill us (the mostly Christian/Judaeo west) because they feel forever persecuted and consider us (again, the Christian/Judaeo west) to be blasphemers of the highest order, not the least reason being that the Christian/Jew does not recognize Muhammad and totally reject the Koran, other than to give it lip service in a halfhearted attempt at some sort of religious diversity.
My remarks are not attaching to anyone a status of being Christian or Jewish, it's just that in the eyes of the devout Muslim, any non-believer is fair game.
I do not judge, nor do I seek to invalidate what the author is saying, nor do I defend any mores of any religion.
I simply am expressing what I have taken away from the article.
I really could not postulate as to whether the author is supportive or dismissive of any particular religion. I did detect some bias, but it seems to be an overall bias, and I think he made an honest attempt to not show a particular bias.
But in my experience, most so-called scholarly over-worded writings such as this one can be boiled down to a couple of paragraphs, leaving it to the reader to attach their own observations and experiences and make their own conclusions.
Anyone seeking to put the missive forward as a "salve", so to speak, for any of the perceived wrongs by anyone on any side, as it were, is missing the point.
In fact, it inflames, rather than calms.
Just my opinion...your mileage may vary.
Now, having been consistently beaten (in the opinion of the author), it would tend to explain why the radical Muslim (as we now define a radical Muslim) feels the need to terrorize and commit mayhem to make his point.
Additionally, the author has no explanation for certain passages in the Koran that tend to legitimize the destruction of infidels by the true believer, but does postulate that the elevation of Jesus Christ to a God-like status or as the Son of God by Christians is an offense punishable by death, via the word of Allah as given to Muhammad. Also, the Jewish belief is complete rejection of Jesus, whereas, the Muslim religion recognizes Him as a prophet. Therefore, kill the Christian, for they are blasphemers and kill the Jews because they have no conviction of belief in Jesus at any level.
The author put a lot of words on paper, when, in my opinion, he could have summed it all up by simply stating the obvious: Muslims (at least those that admit to it) wish to kill us (the mostly Christian/Judaeo west) because they feel forever persecuted and consider us (again, the Christian/Judaeo west) to be blasphemers of the highest order, not the least reason being that the Christian/Jew does not recognize Muhammad and totally reject the Koran, other than to give it lip service in a halfhearted attempt at some sort of religious diversity.
My remarks are not attaching to anyone a status of being Christian or Jewish, it's just that in the eyes of the devout Muslim, any non-believer is fair game.
I do not judge, nor do I seek to invalidate what the author is saying, nor do I defend any mores of any religion.
I simply am expressing what I have taken away from the article.
I really could not postulate as to whether the author is supportive or dismissive of any particular religion. I did detect some bias, but it seems to be an overall bias, and I think he made an honest attempt to not show a particular bias.
But in my experience, most so-called scholarly over-worded writings such as this one can be boiled down to a couple of paragraphs, leaving it to the reader to attach their own observations and experiences and make their own conclusions.
Anyone seeking to put the missive forward as a "salve", so to speak, for any of the perceived wrongs by anyone on any side, as it were, is missing the point.
In fact, it inflames, rather than calms.
Just my opinion...your mileage may vary.
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If we don't understand this in terms of the treatment of women in that society what
CTyankee
Aug 2015
#12
Yes, the last part of this piece is supportive of feminism. Good for the author!
CTyankee
Aug 2015
#53
A region with tragic history. That's partly why I was against the Iraq war vote.
Gregorian
Aug 2015
#11
The Dangerous World That We Now Inhabit: Brought to us by the Bush Family Evil Empire of
DhhD
Aug 2015
#22
As if a 1500 year old war against those not of the "correct" religion has fuck all to do with the US
seveneyes
Aug 2015
#23
"Nationalism and what was called 'Arab Socialism' failed. All that was left was religion."
SunSeeker
Aug 2015
#24
I searched the whole article and did not find "they hate us for our freedoms."
tclambert
Aug 2015
#28
Good Article has several "Simplifications" that people need to know, including slavery.
happyslug
Aug 2015
#40
Still doesn't change the fact that there is more infighting than hating the West.
randome
Aug 2015
#66
Wahhabists were promoted by the British as a compliant counter to those trouble making Sufis
JCMach1
Aug 2015
#70