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A Round Tuit

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38. Here's another quote:
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 09:56 PM
Aug 2015
In one of the most colorful battles of all time, the gloriously dressed and splendidly mounted Mamluk horsemen of Egypt charged Napoleon’s artillery. They were not only slaughtered but humiliated. That was to be the fate of the Muslims in the centuries to follow.

Now, having been consistently beaten (in the opinion of the author), it would tend to explain why the radical Muslim (as we now define a radical Muslim) feels the need to terrorize and commit mayhem to make his point.

Additionally, the author has no explanation for certain passages in the Koran that tend to legitimize the destruction of infidels by the true believer, but does postulate that the elevation of Jesus Christ to a God-like status or as the Son of God by Christians is an offense punishable by death, via the word of Allah as given to Muhammad. Also, the Jewish belief is complete rejection of Jesus, whereas, the Muslim religion recognizes Him as a prophet. Therefore, kill the Christian, for they are blasphemers and kill the Jews because they have no conviction of belief in Jesus at any level.

The author put a lot of words on paper, when, in my opinion, he could have summed it all up by simply stating the obvious: Muslims (at least those that admit to it) wish to kill us (the mostly Christian/Judaeo west) because they feel forever persecuted and consider us (again, the Christian/Judaeo west) to be blasphemers of the highest order, not the least reason being that the Christian/Jew does not recognize Muhammad and totally reject the Koran, other than to give it lip service in a halfhearted attempt at some sort of religious diversity.

My remarks are not attaching to anyone a status of being Christian or Jewish, it's just that in the eyes of the devout Muslim, any non-believer is fair game.

I do not judge, nor do I seek to invalidate what the author is saying, nor do I defend any mores of any religion.

I simply am expressing what I have taken away from the article.

I really could not postulate as to whether the author is supportive or dismissive of any particular religion. I did detect some bias, but it seems to be an overall bias, and I think he made an honest attempt to not show a particular bias.

But in my experience, most so-called scholarly over-worded writings such as this one can be boiled down to a couple of paragraphs, leaving it to the reader to attach their own observations and experiences and make their own conclusions.

Anyone seeking to put the missive forward as a "salve", so to speak, for any of the perceived wrongs by anyone on any side, as it were, is missing the point.

In fact, it inflames, rather than calms.

Just my opinion...your mileage may vary.
It won't malaise Aug 2015 #1
I skimmed it, Blue_In_AK Aug 2015 #2
CHeck out the comments as well malaise Aug 2015 #6
Thank you. trof Aug 2015 #9
some of the best thought provoking threads sink like a stone on DU olddots Aug 2015 #3
It would also be good to cross post it ... KoKo Aug 2015 #4
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #33
K&R. silverweb Aug 2015 #5
I know and I get all of this, but my question has to be "What about women?" CTyankee Aug 2015 #7
OK, I don't understand. trof Aug 2015 #8
If we don't understand this in terms of the treatment of women in that society what CTyankee Aug 2015 #12
Women as subseviant in most religions/cultures? trof Aug 2015 #17
Yes, the last part of this piece is supportive of feminism. Good for the author! CTyankee Aug 2015 #53
Interesting article. denbot Aug 2015 #10
A region with tragic history. That's partly why I was against the Iraq war vote. Gregorian Aug 2015 #11
Interesting read. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #13
this may be oversimplistic, totally recent, and ignores Israel, but MisterP Aug 2015 #14
I read it. Interesting stuff. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #15
I read the post hfojvt Aug 2015 #16
Interesting read. (Yes, I read the whole thing) Solly Mack Aug 2015 #18
Finished it this morning malaise Aug 2015 #55
If you don't want this to sink, you might include an excerpt or two. randome Aug 2015 #19
#NotAllWesterners seveneyes Aug 2015 #20
I was going to read it but I didn't want to prove you wrong. George II Aug 2015 #21
The Dangerous World That We Now Inhabit: Brought to us by the Bush Family Evil Empire of DhhD Aug 2015 #22
As if a 1500 year old war against those not of the "correct" religion has fuck all to do with the US seveneyes Aug 2015 #23
Agreed sub.theory Aug 2015 #60
"Nationalism and what was called 'Arab Socialism' failed. All that was left was religion." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #24
Religion doesn't seem to be workin' too well for them either. n/t Throd Aug 2015 #27
Clear headed and logical is always the best approach to take. hifiguy Aug 2015 #25
k&r uppityperson Aug 2015 #26
I searched the whole article and did not find "they hate us for our freedoms." tclambert Aug 2015 #28
Heart of Darkness sub.theory Aug 2015 #61
I don't take kindly to pre-emptive insults, so.....you're right. Peace. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #29
+1 snagglepuss Aug 2015 #69
One comment illuminates the major flaw in this essay: TygrBright Aug 2015 #30
Yes. The Big Three monotheisms were made up chiefly to control women. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #36
Abrahamic monotheism and laissez-faire capitalism hifiguy Aug 2015 #42
Agree! Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #44
DING! DING! DING! Raster Aug 2015 #50
Oh yes.....nt artislife Aug 2015 #65
Here! Here! Raster Aug 2015 #51
As Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson so pithily put it hifiguy Aug 2015 #71
You have a very good point. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Aug 2015 #58
I bookmarked it. alphafemale Aug 2015 #31
Another good quote... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #32
The sacrifice of humankind in the name of hifiguy Aug 2015 #43
I keep picturing UFOs landing and watching the missionaries line up. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #46
I sincerely hope that people like the Vulcans hifiguy Aug 2015 #48
bookmarked daleanime Aug 2015 #34
The God of Muhammad's Imagination, Allah, told them: Herman4747 Aug 2015 #35
I have gotten only a few paragraphs past the part you quoted SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #37
Here's another quote: A Round Tuit Aug 2015 #38
An excellent post. hifiguy Aug 2015 #47
For Later reading tnlurker Aug 2015 #39
Good Article has several "Simplifications" that people need to know, including slavery. happyslug Aug 2015 #40
All very accurate and excellent points. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #41
I already knew, but thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for posting. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #45
I could add to his commentary that we could have traded with them instead Hydra Aug 2015 #49
They hate themselves more than they hate the West. randome Aug 2015 #54
You didn't read it: bemildred Aug 2015 #56
Still doesn't change the fact that there is more infighting than hating the West. randome Aug 2015 #66
The trouble with victimhood apologetics whatthehey Aug 2015 #59
Thank you. Throd Aug 2015 #64
The Wahhabists and a 20th century hifiguy Aug 2015 #67
Wahhabists were promoted by the British as a compliant counter to those trouble making Sufis JCMach1 Aug 2015 #70
Why am I not surprised? hifiguy Aug 2015 #72
Again, oversimplified blame-whiteyism whatthehey Aug 2015 #73
And you fail to understand how the British promoted the Al Saud family and Wahhabism as an antidote JCMach1 Aug 2015 #77
Great read actually. Kicked and recommended. eom Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #62
Look south America just us Aug 2015 #63
K&R Scuba Aug 2015 #68
You have restored my faith in humankind. trof Aug 2015 #74
K & R... Wounded Bear Aug 2015 #75
The article is profound. Should make the GOP strategy obvious. Octafish Aug 2015 #76
They despise and execute gay people. We allow gay people to marry. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #78
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