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friendly_iconoclast

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61. Those that think this can be used against guns haven't read the decision
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:48 AM
Aug 2015
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/alabortion08042014.pdf

V. CONCLUSION
The constitutional rights recognized by the Supreme Court are often viewed as more, or less, important in our minds based on our subjective beliefs, which may be the
result of religion, personal philosophy, traditions, or experiences. This is simply an aspect of human nature, but it is an aspect this court must resist.

In deciding this case, the court was struck by a parallel in some respects between the right of women to decide to terminate a pregnancy and the right of the
individual to keep and bear firearms, including handguns, in her home for the purposes of self-defense. See McDonald v. City of Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010)
(incorporating this right in the liberty interest protected by the Fourteenth Amendment due-process clause); District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570
(2008) (first recognizing this right as protected by the Second Amendment).

At its core, each protected right is held by the individual: the right to decide to have an
abortion and the right to have and use firearms for self-defense. However, neither right can be fully exercised without the assistance of someone else. The right to abortion cannot be exercised without a medical professional, and the right to keep and bear arms means
little if there is no one from whom to acquire the handgun or ammunition.

In the context of both rights, the Supreme Court recognizes that some regulation of the
protected activity is appropriate, but that other regulation may tread too heavily on the right. Compare Heller, 554 U.S. at 626 (“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.”) with Casey, 505 U.S. at 876 (“Not all burdens on the right to
decide whether to terminate a pregnancy will be undue.”).

Finally, as to each right, there are many who believe, as a matter of law, that the Supreme Court’s reasoning in articulating the right was incorrect and who also
believe, as a matter of strong moral or ethical convictions, that the activity deserves no constitutional protection.

With this parallelism in mind, the court poses the hypothetical that suppose, for the public weal, the federal or state government were to implement a new restriction on who may sell firearms and ammunition and on the procedure they must employ in selling such goods
and that, further, only two vendors in the State of Alabama were capable of complying with the restriction: one in Huntsville and one in Tuscaloosa. The defenders
of this law would be called upon to do a heck of a lot of explaining--and rightly so in the face of an effect so severe.

Similarly, in this case, so long as the Supreme Court continues to recognize a constitutional right to choose to terminate a pregnancy, any regulation that would, in effect, restrict the exercise of that right to only Huntsville and Tuscaloosa should be subject to the
same skepticism. See Strange, --- F. Supp. 2d at ----, 2014 WL 1320158 at *13 (“the more severe an obstacle a regulation creates, the more robust the government’s
justification must be”).

This court, as a trial court, should not be in the business of picking and choosing which Supreme Court-recognized right to enforce or in deciding whether
to enforce a right strongly or only somewhat, based on this court’s independent assessment of the legal or moral wisdom behind the acknowledgment of that right. While
this trial court may have the license, if not the obligation, to contribute its proverbial “two cents” to the discussion of whether the law ought to be different,
that voicing should in no way detract from this court’s obligation to assure 100 % enforcement of that law as it is. See Nelson v. Campbell, 286 F. Supp. 2d 1321 (M.D.
Ala. 2003) (Thompson, J.) (after discussing why it believed Eleventh Circuit law was incorrect, trial court still followed and applied that law), aff'd, Nelson v.
Campbell, 347 F.3d 910 (11th Cir. 2003), rev'd, Nelson v. Campbell, 541 U.S. 637 (2004).

Rather, like all trial courts, this court must be guided by one overarching principle: the rule of law. Just as the Supreme Court gave to the courts in the trenches their marching orders in Heller and McDonald, it gave us our marching orders in Casey as well.

As the one Justice who signed onto both sets of marching orders has
stated: “The power of a court, the prestige of a court, the primacy of a court stand or fall by one measure and one measure alone: the respect accorded its judgments.”
Anthony M. Kennedy, Judicial Ethics and the Rule of Law,
40 St. Louis U. L.J. 1067 (1996). With this opinion today, this court, as it forges along as a soldier in the trenches carrying out orders from on high, puts its faith
in this statement and hopes that, in resolving the constitutional question before it, it has been faithful to the lofty command of the rule of law...





k&R... spanone Aug 2015 #1
Lol. Good argument. Calista241 Aug 2015 #2
Logic will be the thing that finally ends the gun nut madness and gun terrorism in America. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #3
This is about abortion providers, not guns NickB79 Aug 2015 #9
I get it, the practical results of the illogical argument of the pro-birth, anti-life crowd is being put in a context a gun lover can Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #14
Sorry, Fred- the decision didn't say what you'd like it to: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #60
Nice one, Judge. (nt) Paladin Aug 2015 #4
I've been thinking the same thing for quite awhile. hvn_nbr_2 Aug 2015 #5
That would be perfect! SheilaT Aug 2015 #8
This exactly! LuckyLib Aug 2015 #12
^^^ BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2015 #18
Yes, exactly. Shrike47 Aug 2015 #19
Well put! flygal Aug 2015 #20
Brilliant! hifiguy Aug 2015 #26
BOOM! Love this! Great idea!!!! nt valerief Aug 2015 #49
The "orifice" thing wouldn't work jmowreader Aug 2015 #51
Instead, we have this... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #57
hmm, I'm loving this... CTyankee Aug 2015 #63
Great argument! n/t murielm99 Aug 2015 #6
oh god. I have a new argument. roguevalley Aug 2015 #7
My thoughts too! B Calm Aug 2015 #21
Close gun stores? Turbineguy Aug 2015 #10
Hell they're not. I went to church yesterday at the First Baptist japple Aug 2015 #25
I have a church in my hometown that has an indoor firing range and.... lastlib Aug 2015 #53
Lady... qwlauren35 Aug 2015 #11
The hell of it is, I'm a male! KamaAina Aug 2015 #13
WOW! qwlauren35 Aug 2015 #15
Unfortunately, yes. And I desperately need one of these. KamaAina Aug 2015 #16
Oh..... haikugal Aug 2015 #31
How do you feel about Northern California? KamaAina Aug 2015 #34
Awesome!!! I know just where that is, but I didn't know about this! haikugal Aug 2015 #40
Here you go. KamaAina Aug 2015 #42
Either you are not looking in the right places or you appear unavailable or you merrily Aug 2015 #39
Must be the right places thing. KamaAina Aug 2015 #41
That would be the "appear unavailable" thing and the right places thing. merrily Aug 2015 #43
will have to see what we can do to remedy that! niyad Aug 2015 #44
All great men today are great feminists. merrily Aug 2015 #35
You mean both of us, right? KamaAina Aug 2015 #36
I know lots of great men. You do, too. merrily Aug 2015 #38
Not a bad idea really Major Nikon Aug 2015 #17
Seems a large chunk of anti-women's freedom to choose folks are gun-lovers too. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #22
Don't give your fellow DUers any ideas meow2u3 Aug 2015 #23
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2015 #24
That's gotta hurt! passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #27
If you want a gun drm604 Aug 2015 #28
^this^ for the win! Iris Aug 2015 #77
Brilliant. Another great find by KamaAina, too. merrily Aug 2015 #29
All credit to my 448 Facebook friends KamaAina Aug 2015 #30
You make the selection as to what to post here, no? merrily Aug 2015 #32
Yup. I say "Aha! Grist for the DU mill." KamaAina Aug 2015 #33
Well, then, you make great choices. merrily Aug 2015 #37
Actually, I made it first-over a year ago: "A judge in Alabama gets it about abortion and guns" friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #73
Discussed at length (and favorably) by pro-2A folks months ago.nt Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #68
works for me. niyad Aug 2015 #45
Best reasoning evah! libodem Aug 2015 #46
Umm... (Playing Devil's Advocate) d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #47
Doesn't matter IMHO Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2015 #50
One is an opinion the other is specifically enumerated pipoman Aug 2015 #54
It's not 'easily defeated' imho ... the INDIVIDUAL right was established by Heller in like 2005 ... brett_jv Aug 2015 #67
Yeah, and the collective (militia) idea was always indefensible pipoman Aug 2015 #74
Specifically enumerated awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #75
Never has been and never will be....time to move on from this fiction... pipoman Aug 2015 #79
Ask them why they choose to ignore the "well regulated militia" part of the Second Amendment. NBachers Aug 2015 #55
Oh, they have their way to 'splain that for ya... CTyankee Aug 2015 #64
Because the Supremes have held that it isn't applicable friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #71
Little by little you can see that the pushback is gaining traction with more and more A Simple Game Aug 2015 #48
great Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #52
Can't you picture the steam coming out of their ears? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #56
Problem is you'd get shot. Kablooie Aug 2015 #58
Clever: right to life takes on a whole new meaning. Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #59
Those that think this can be used against guns haven't read the decision friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #61
I believe the idea is not to use this "meme" against the ownership of guns as much as it... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #65
You're Missing The Point By A Light Year ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #69
The point was, one set of restrictions is just as odious as another friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #72
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #62
I am loving this! Initech Aug 2015 #66
Tell It Judge colsohlibgal Aug 2015 #70
I have 35-45 guns Go Vols Aug 2015 #76
You have ten times as many guns as fire extinguishers? KamaAina Aug 2015 #78
You need different guns to hunt diff animals Go Vols Aug 2015 #80
There are municipalities that have done to gun Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #81
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