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AtheistCrusader

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17. When I used it, I considered DU as a whole.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:07 PM
Aug 2015

So I think we're speaking the same language.

I don't view the dropping of those bombs as a punishment, or a deserved comeuppance. Nothing like that. I read Hiroshima by John Hersey when I was a child (probably way too young) and I was struck by two things; the nigh-indescribable horror of the bombs, and the determination of the Japanese civilians to fight to the last. By capturing the sentiments and the things the survivors saw, he captures some of that 'to the last' element that we saw in Midway and Okinawa, Saipan, etc.

There was a man who lived next door to one of the survivors, and his neighborhood safety committee needed to construct fire breaks. They asked him to tear down his house, and he was complying, ripping it down board by board. His own home. (The survivor was watching him through her home's window, and essentially saw him as the bomb exploded, killing the man.)

The most interesting and shocking takeaway from the book, for me, was not the bombs themselves, but the Japanese people's reaction. They reacted more profoundly to hearing their Emperor's voice over the radio announcing the surrender, than they did to the wholesale annihilation of two previously undamaged cities. Even the Tokyo raid, which killed more people than either atomic bomb, just made them mad.

It was a horrible thing, and it was ALSO done for other reasons, like testing a new toy, revenge, to scare the soviets, you name it. Our motives were unclean. But ultimately, it also saved Japanese lives. Different lives. The people of those cities might have all lived.
Others would have died, and in greater numbers, however.

So, I view it less as hegemonic revenge, and more as 'right thing for the wrong reasons', and 'least bad alternative' in an existential fight.

Yeah I don't see the point in the continuous apologies LittleBlue Aug 2015 #1
I don't know where this is going. Civil War analogy, perhaps? nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #2
That was not my intention, but in hindsight I see how that analogy is there GummyBearz Aug 2015 #3
Subtle. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #4
Eh... GummyBearz Aug 2015 #5
The dropping of two atomic weapons on Japan is a contentious issue around here. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #8
I agree with you 100% GummyBearz Aug 2015 #9
Given that there exist people now who did then, I do not think the world is "over it" or should be. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #6
Keep apologizing? Codeine Aug 2015 #7
I'm with you GummyBearz Aug 2015 #10
I was about 35 before I even discovered that Japan killed over a million civilians in India. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #11
Thanks for the information GummyBearz Aug 2015 #12
When one thinks one can judge the value of lives... Shandris Aug 2015 #13
I disagree. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #14
It doesn't matter how hard one tries sometimes, a word or two... Shandris Aug 2015 #16
When I used it, I considered DU as a whole. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #17
I think to clarify my overall position on it... Shandris Aug 2015 #18
Particularly disgusting was the behavior of the Japanese medical community aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2015 #15
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #20
I agree. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #29
It's not just about not repeating apologies - kiva Aug 2015 #19
The revisionist history really pisses off Koreans davidpdx Aug 2015 #22
Ditto for the Chinese. kiva Aug 2015 #25
I don't think the younger generation in Korea buys into quite a much davidpdx Aug 2015 #28
I agree. Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #21
I think there are two separate issues davidpdx Aug 2015 #24
We are allies now... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #23
While the young have nothing to apologize about, Warpy Aug 2015 #26
We can't be taught that though, and neither can they. Shandris Aug 2015 #27
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