That wouldn't surprise me (Reply #7) - Democratic Underground

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Mon Aug 17, 2015, 12:57 AM

7. That wouldn't surprise me

I wasn't old enough to self-train when IT was still in its infancy, before employers could expect you to have a specific degree in it.

I graduated high school right about when outsourcing/H1B abuse/etc. started to become noticeable in the media, and determined that I would have to find another career because I feared that I'd have H1Bs hired over me for lower wages by the time I got out of college.

If that is at all representative of the thoughts of young people entering the college pipeline, that they believe "why go into computer science, the job will just go to an H1-B or L1 and I'll still have student loan debt anyway," that constriction of native born talent supply might go a long ways towards explaining that "shortage" that Silicon Valley keeps screaming about.

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46 replies	Author	Time	Post
Donald Trump, zingers and all, emerges as sharp H-1B critic [View all]	Recursion	Aug 2015	OP
It is a very interesting fracture line indeed.	arcane1	Aug 2015	#1
The "hire US workers first" is riddled with easy to exploit loopholes	strategery blunder	Aug 2015	#2
The prevailing wage rules are hard to enforce too	Recursion	Aug 2015	#3
Re unemployment in IT	strategery blunder	Aug 2015	#4
It may be a generational thing; my Bachelor's was in liberal arts	Recursion	Aug 2015	#6
That wouldn't surprise me	strategery blunder	Aug 2015	#7
There's still 2.5 million people working in IT	Recursion	Aug 2015	#8
Most H1B visa holders transitioned from student visas.	lumberjack_jeff	Aug 2015	#42
And who paid the tuition?	strategery blunder	Aug 2015	#43
Mom and dad. They paid out of state tuition too, which makes colleges happy. n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Aug 2015	#44
But the IT industry is a lot more heavy with contract jobs than permanent ones today...	cascadiance	Aug 2015	#11
And that's the fault line I mentioned	Recursion	Aug 2015	#13
Democratic voters are NOT "slightly in favor of the TPP"	brentspeak	Aug 2015	#22
You can disparage polling organizations all you want. Are there ANY polls showing that Democratic	pampango	Aug 2015	#25
You don't give up, do you?	brentspeak	Aug 2015	#27
And you never post a poll that shows Democrats are anti-TPP as you claim. Though you are	pampango	Aug 2015	#29
it is not that you can hire H1B's if they are cheaper, it is supposed to be	hollysmom	Aug 2015	#14
PERM Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure green cards	FrodosPet	Aug 2015	#5
We will just end up pay the H-1Bs higher wages. nt	kelliekat44	Aug 2015	#9
Why would they need to hire H-1B's if they had to pay them the same? n/t	pnwmom	Aug 2015	#10
The perception is they're "better" in addition to being cheaper	Recursion	Aug 2015	#12
That perception would be false.. I think most of their top 5% probably stays there...	cascadiance	Aug 2015	#15
two reasons 1) econ 101 more supply, lower wage for all, and 2) They're indentured nt	HFRN	Aug 2015	#35
I do hope that this does not mean we Democrats will now be expected to be FOR H-1B visas.	djean111	Aug 2015	#16
Are you saying you are for zero H-1B visas being issued?	Recursion	Aug 2015	#17
The program needs to be scaled back and policed for abuse	davidn3600	Aug 2015	#18
I am saying that anyone who is on record as saying H-1B visas need to be increased - no vote.	djean111	Aug 2015	#19
How have you observed it being abused?	Recursion	Aug 2015	#21
Your "play dumb about H1-B abuse" posting approach is sort of funny	brentspeak	Aug 2015	#23
'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his	HFRN	Aug 2015	#32
Here is one - I applied for an IT position at a large company where I had referrals	djean111	Aug 2015	#24
A little old, but...	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2015	#26
H Clinton on H-1b visas	HFRN	Aug 2015	#31
Bernie Sanders on H-1b visa	HFRN	Aug 2015	#33
+100 n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Aug 2015	#46
and I can't find anything about Martin O'Malley on H-1b visa	HFRN	Aug 2015	#34
Other than eliminating the corporate tax and promoting right-to-work laws, Trump's economic policy	pampango	Aug 2015	#20
Is it the H1, H2's or the L1, L2's that are causing the damage?	One_Life_To_Give	Aug 2015	#28
why can't this party ('of working people') talk honestly about H-1b visa?	HFRN	Aug 2015	#30
I have the same question	Recursion	Aug 2015	#36
Great - can you tell me O'Malley's position on H-1b visa? nt	HFRN	Aug 2015	#37
I cannot. He has not spoken about it.	Recursion	Aug 2015	#38
'I think he disagrees with me on this particular question'	HFRN	Aug 2015	#39
I think we need to reduce our H1-B numbers by about 25%	Recursion	Aug 2015	#40
'I think O'Malley wants to reduce them by about 50%.'	HFRN	Aug 2015	#41
This "honest talk" should encompass the effect of all labor immigration. n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Aug 2015	#45

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