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One_Life_To_Give

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28. Is it the H1, H2's or the L1, L2's that are causing the damage?

Mon Aug 17, 2015, 01:03 PM

Aug 2015

As another DUer pointed out a month or so ago. The real damage may be not in the H1B program although there is likely some abuse in that program as well. But the bigger issue may be in the temporary L- series of visa's and a lack of regulation concerning their ability to seriously undercut the pay of workers here, by using employees paid in their home country.

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Donald Trump, zingers and all, emerges as sharp H-1B critic [View all] Recursion Aug 2015 OP

It is a very interesting fracture line indeed. arcane1 Aug 2015 #1

The "hire US workers first" is riddled with easy to exploit loopholes strategery blunder Aug 2015 #2

The prevailing wage rules are hard to enforce too Recursion Aug 2015 #3

Re unemployment in IT strategery blunder Aug 2015 #4

It may be a generational thing; my Bachelor's was in liberal arts Recursion Aug 2015 #6

That wouldn't surprise me strategery blunder Aug 2015 #7

There's still 2.5 million people working in IT Recursion Aug 2015 #8

Most H1B visa holders transitioned from student visas. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #42

And who paid the tuition? strategery blunder Aug 2015 #43

Mom and dad. They paid out of state tuition too, which makes colleges happy. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #44

But the IT industry is a lot more heavy with contract jobs than permanent ones today... cascadiance Aug 2015 #11

And that's the fault line I mentioned Recursion Aug 2015 #13

Democratic voters are NOT "slightly in favor of the TPP" brentspeak Aug 2015 #22

You can disparage polling organizations all you want. Are there ANY polls showing that Democratic pampango Aug 2015 #25

You don't give up, do you? brentspeak Aug 2015 #27

And you never post a poll that shows Democrats are anti-TPP as you claim. Though you are pampango Aug 2015 #29

it is not that you can hire H1B's if they are cheaper, it is supposed to be hollysmom Aug 2015 #14

PERM Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure green cards FrodosPet Aug 2015 #5

We will just end up pay the H-1Bs higher wages. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #9

Why would they need to hire H-1B's if they had to pay them the same? n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #10

The perception is they're "better" in addition to being cheaper Recursion Aug 2015 #12

That perception would be false.. I think most of their top 5% probably stays there... cascadiance Aug 2015 #15

two reasons 1) econ 101 more supply, lower wage for all, and 2) They're indentured nt HFRN Aug 2015 #35

I do hope that this does not mean we Democrats will now be expected to be FOR H-1B visas. djean111 Aug 2015 #16

Are you saying you are for zero H-1B visas being issued? Recursion Aug 2015 #17

The program needs to be scaled back and policed for abuse davidn3600 Aug 2015 #18

I am saying that anyone who is on record as saying H-1B visas need to be increased - no vote. djean111 Aug 2015 #19

How have you observed it being abused? Recursion Aug 2015 #21

Your "play dumb about H1-B abuse" posting approach is sort of funny brentspeak Aug 2015 #23

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his HFRN Aug 2015 #32

Here is one - I applied for an IT position at a large company where I had referrals djean111 Aug 2015 #24

A little old, but... MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #26

H Clinton on H-1b visas HFRN Aug 2015 #31

Bernie Sanders on H-1b visa HFRN Aug 2015 #33

+100 n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #46

and I can't find anything about Martin O'Malley on H-1b visa HFRN Aug 2015 #34

Other than eliminating the corporate tax and promoting right-to-work laws, Trump's economic policy pampango Aug 2015 #20

Is it the H1, H2's or the L1, L2's that are causing the damage? One_Life_To_Give Aug 2015 #28

why can't this party ('of working people') talk honestly about H-1b visa? HFRN Aug 2015 #30

I have the same question Recursion Aug 2015 #36

Great - can you tell me O'Malley's position on H-1b visa? nt HFRN Aug 2015 #37

I cannot. He has not spoken about it. Recursion Aug 2015 #38

'I think he disagrees with me on this particular question' HFRN Aug 2015 #39

I think we need to reduce our H1-B numbers by about 25% Recursion Aug 2015 #40

'I think O'Malley wants to reduce them by about 50%.' HFRN Aug 2015 #41

This "honest talk" should encompass the effect of all labor immigration. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #45