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Gregorian

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20. For my benefit, please elaborate. I'm here to learn.

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:58 PM

Aug 2015

My sense is that we have the ultimate power, when united. We beat them in the Civil War. It's the same people.

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I am weary to my marrow of the deep moral and intellectual sickness of the right [View all] cali Aug 2015 OP

+1,000 Scuba Aug 2015 #1

Good rant. Keep in mind, when someone says "We can get Republican grassroots to vote for X candidate stevenleser Aug 2015 #2

the opportunity to get republicans to vote for candidate X tk2kewl Aug 2015 #5

You are preaching to the choir on that point. It's exactly why I do what I do where I do it. stevenleser Aug 2015 #7

I'm sorry - what is it that you do and where do you do it? tularetom Aug 2015 #76

I wasn't responding to you, but if you are curious Google is your friend. Nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #79

Nah, I don't really care that much but your post had kind of an implicit self important tone tularetom Aug 2015 #81

Nope, it didn't. stevenleser Aug 2015 #82

No it's not. There are many republicans azmom Aug 2015 #8

Even when they don't hold the views themselves, they tolerate them in the folks for whom they vote. stevenleser Aug 2015 #9

The Democratic Party has plenty of bigots. azmom Aug 2015 #14

An interesting red herring but ultimately not related to the discussion. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #22

Of course not azmom Aug 2015 #27

Glad you can see that. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #29

Didn't you know better than to... ryan_cats Aug 2015 #80

No it's not. There are many republicans The CCC Aug 2015 #40

All republicans Bad, all democrats good. azmom Aug 2015 #41

I think one cannot get caught up in individuals peccadillos LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #56

Lots of Republican voters thought they were voting for fiscal conservatives or against union bosses JDPriestly Aug 2015 #38

I think you are right, particularly as to those who only hifiguy Aug 2015 #51

Amen.... daleanime Aug 2015 #3

Just don't hold your breath waiting for Republicans to change. world wide wally Aug 2015 #4

A significant number of folks here have been saying Bernie will change their minds and get them to stevenleser Aug 2015 #10

We won't need many votes from them. Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #21

Then your expectations are in the ballpark because if nominated he would get close to zero. stevenleser Aug 2015 #23

He's not a generic Socialist (but you knew that). Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #25

We can argue what Bernie is, but that doesn't matter, and YOU know that. It only matters what stevenleser Aug 2015 #28

It's not impossible to fight. Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #32

You think so? Ask George Allen how easy it was to fight "Macaca" with video of him saying it. stevenleser Aug 2015 #34

There are far more where he explains what a Democratic Socialist is, Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #37

That won't matter. I'm surprised you need anyone to tell you this. Nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #44

I hope you read beyond my post title. Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #45

And if Clinton wins the nomination, the Republicans will point out that she joined them rhett o rick Aug 2015 #61

That's a joke right? The last thing the GOP will mention is the Iraq war. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #63

That's your opinion. By the way, Jeb has already mentioned it. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #71

Yeah, in response to questions he clearly didn't want to answer. And he fumbled stevenleser Aug 2015 #72

So you admit the the GOP has already mentioned the Iraq War but still contend rhett o rick Aug 2015 #75

No, that is your strawman. GOP candidates were asked about it by reporters. stevenleser Aug 2015 #78

You said they wouldn't mention it and yet they did and I think they will again. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #84

Doesn't matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it's still wrong. Nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #89

How very untrue. Many Republicans are warming to the message of honesty that Sen Sanders rhett o rick Aug 2015 #60

Anyone falling for that, Chris Christie has a bridge he would like to sell you. stevenleser Aug 2015 #64

an equally heartsick k and r niyad Aug 2015 #6

Thank you, cali. I do tire of protestations that republican X, Y or Z is a 'broken clock'. They are pampango Aug 2015 #11

I just saw Jimmy Carter on TV, the oft mocked Carter by the right hollysmom Aug 2015 #12

I missed this post originally but this is a great point. Carter was 100% honest all the time. That stevenleser Aug 2015 #73

I think Sanders has been around Washington a good long time and will not face it naively. hollysmom Aug 2015 #74

The responsibility to change it comes from the left, which is divided, fearful, apathetic. Gregorian Aug 2015 #13

I largely disagree with you. And it's hardly just a tiny group in the congress. cali Aug 2015 #15

For my benefit, please elaborate. I'm here to learn. Gregorian Aug 2015 #20

+1000000000 azmom Aug 2015 #16

You're looking at today and ignoring yesterday. jeff47 Aug 2015 #17

If we are going to talk history then you are ignoring plenty as well. stevenleser Aug 2015 #26

Because the global left is a monolithic bloc jeff47 Aug 2015 #48

Further enhanced by any media taking any of these Candidates seriously.... glinda Aug 2015 #18

yes. the media eggs it all on by treating outrageous crap as if cali Aug 2015 #19

That is the biggest problem. hifiguy Aug 2015 #52

You are being too kind Generic Other Aug 2015 #24

The backlash is already in motion. DirkGently Aug 2015 #30

Very good points. Thanks. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #39

A very thought provoking post, hifiguy Aug 2015 #54

Does Trump actually believe in "protectionism for union workers"? Art_from_Ark Aug 2015 #65

I was thinking of his recent "import tariff" proposals DirkGently Aug 2015 #67

What else can we expect of the party of slave owners. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #31

You may be, but they aren't. It's sport to them, now. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #33

IF FOX news disappeared tomorrow.... yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #35

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #36

I am weary to my marrow swilton Aug 2015 #42

I refuse to believe kacekwl Aug 2015 #43

I thought Kasich had a modicum of sanity until his 'get rid of the teacher's lounges' comments. panader0 Aug 2015 #46

me too, pan. oh well. cali Aug 2015 #59

Two party system isn't working Milliesmom Aug 2015 #47

As I was saying about the gas lines Milliesmom Aug 2015 #66

Nicely stated rant. Please post all over the Internet where you can, nt kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #49

May i re-post with attribution? nt kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #50

sure. cali Aug 2015 #58

if it weren't for the neoliberal and corporatist aspects of this party, republicans wouldnt be HFRN Aug 2015 #53

Being Repuke-Lite is VASTLY more personally profitable. hifiguy Aug 2015 #55

Yep. If I knew what was going to happen to this country with its regressivism, mmonk Aug 2015 #57

K&R... spanone Aug 2015 #62

Please add electronic voting machines to your list. Stevepol Aug 2015 #68

Sadly, a lot of the moral decay is because of so-called Christian churches tabasco Aug 2015 #69

Also contributing to the decay is the conservative Catholic movement. John1956PA Aug 2015 #77

It's a dangerous and scary moment in a 2-party system when one of the KingCharlemagne Aug 2015 #70

It's all a game of misdirection with them, Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #83

I keep hoping that clown Trumpet will display such ugliness and bigotry AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #85

You would think their movement would've died out completely by now. I mean craigmatic Aug 2015 #86

Advanced corruption always eventually rots and is replaced by new cleaner components. nt ladjf Aug 2015 #88

The fundamental "wrongness" of the "deep moral and intellectual sickness of the right" ladjf Aug 2015 #87

Don't mourn: organize struggle4progress Aug 2015 #90