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5. Sadly oil was just "too good" ...
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

Not good for the environment, peace, or your health but off the charts good in terms of energy density.

Gasoline has an energy density of 12 kWh/kg although that is a little misleading because internal combustion engines only have about 20% thermal efficiency. Sill that means about 2.5 kWh/kg or 2,500 Wh/kg of usable energy. A lithium-ion battery while having 5x the energy density of Lead Acid batteries only has about 150 Wh/kg.

It is a cruel irony that oil was "so good". It blinded the human race for a century and stifled innovation. Everyone knows about GM's first electric car but this one made by Detroit Electric was made in 1916 but alas oil was just too good. Maybe Tesla can make good on that potential just over a century later.

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Imagine a battery the size of a suitcase able to power a car for 500 miles or a house...goodbye oil! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #1
The oil companies really botched this. jeff47 Sep 2015 #3
Sadly oil was just "too good" ... Statistical Sep 2015 #5
Oil was indeed too good of an energy package...and way too profitable.....until maybe now it isn't? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #8
We can hope so ... Statistical Sep 2015 #15
How many miles will it power the house? ryan_cats Sep 2015 #6
We are working on it...the innovation curve will be as steep as any other: Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #9
Batteries can't be charged as fast as gasoline tank (back to my gasoline was too good) Statistical Sep 2015 #11
They can't be recharged quickly, currently ryan_cats Sep 2015 #16
You can exchange packs faster than charging... a 250 mile range is around 4 days of driving... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #30
A prototype of this system was srarted in Europe a few years back... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #40
No time for coffee Statistical Sep 2015 #43
Well, you have to drive to a gas station but with electric your cheap as dirt gas station is at home. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #28
It can be if the fueling station has extra batteries stocked, and acts as a Volaris Sep 2015 #41
On cars, charge time depends on the charger. jeff47 Sep 2015 #14
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2015 #31
And fueled by solar panels on your roof. Matariki Sep 2015 #23
For comparison... jeff47 Sep 2015 #2
You can add Chevy Bolt (100% BEV same 200 miles range) Statistical Sep 2015 #7
Don't forget Chevy's new Volt and... TreasonousBastard Sep 2015 #13
Sure. Just trying to give a little context, not all context. jeff47 Sep 2015 #17
Right, the 30+ grand price point is a sweet spot... TreasonousBastard Sep 2015 #20
Keep in mind the "charging station" for home just requires a 240 outlet jeff47 Sep 2015 #21
I was thinking of rentals... TreasonousBastard Sep 2015 #25
For the most part new technology is quite expensive. Glassunion Sep 2015 #4
35k will buy me 3 daily drivers. ileus Sep 2015 #10
Good point but what about fuel Statistical Sep 2015 #12
Assuming they depreciate like a typical gas car jeff47 Sep 2015 #18
6-8yo??? I'd never buy a DD that new. ileus Sep 2015 #19
If it's in your price range, why not? jeff47 Sep 2015 #22
Really? "Old turds?" TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #27
You have a point, a 7 yr old car is fully depreciated and quality is better now... cars last uponit7771 Sep 2015 #29
sssso between a Leaf and Prius, then MisterP Sep 2015 #24
Considering I've never paid more than $11k for a car BainsBane Sep 2015 #26
It will happen PasadenaTrudy Sep 2015 #34
To bad 35000 dollars is way more car workinclasszero Sep 2015 #32
still out of my price range PasadenaTrudy Sep 2015 #33
If you're only doing 10 miles, you've got lots of other options. jeff47 Sep 2015 #35
and a replacement battery pack or three. ileus Sep 2015 #36
Actually, the battery packs have been holding up very well. jeff47 Sep 2015 #37
WOW thats great! oneshooter Sep 2015 #38
2018 and $49,000 nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #39
I will take that bet. Statistical Sep 2015 #42
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