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43. No time for coffee
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:25 PM
Sep 2015

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Still in my opinion despite how cool this is it is only going to be niche. Most Americans don't travel 400+ miles per day. You plug it in when you get home and it automatically charges not right away but at the absolute cheapest rate of the day. The 1% of the time you are traveling long distance well you use a supercharger and yes it does take say 15-20 minutes. Now compare how many hours in a year you spend pumping gas.

The ability to charge off peak is huge. Think about over 10 years and 120,000 miles.

Gasoline engine 30mpg @ $3 per gallon = $12,000
Gasoline engine 30mpg @ $4 per gallon = $16,000
Gasoline engine 30mpg @ $5 per gallon = $20,000
BEV 300 watts per mile @ $0.10 per kWh = $3,600
BEV 300 watts per mile @ $0.04 per kWh = $1,440

Right now batteries are expensive and heavy but they are getting about 10% cheaper and 6% lighter a year. This is a trend which has been happening over a long time and shows no signs of stopping. So in 10 years or so you're going to have 400 to 500 mile battery packs which are cheaper and lighter (making the car even more efficient) than we have now. Combined with thousands of super chargers for long trips, and tens of thousands of destination chargers at stores, restaurants, and hotels. It is going to be a non-issue by the time most people are ready to own a BEV.
Imagine a battery the size of a suitcase able to power a car for 500 miles or a house...goodbye oil! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #1
The oil companies really botched this. jeff47 Sep 2015 #3
Sadly oil was just "too good" ... Statistical Sep 2015 #5
Oil was indeed too good of an energy package...and way too profitable.....until maybe now it isn't? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #8
We can hope so ... Statistical Sep 2015 #15
How many miles will it power the house? ryan_cats Sep 2015 #6
We are working on it...the innovation curve will be as steep as any other: Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #9
Batteries can't be charged as fast as gasoline tank (back to my gasoline was too good) Statistical Sep 2015 #11
They can't be recharged quickly, currently ryan_cats Sep 2015 #16
You can exchange packs faster than charging... a 250 mile range is around 4 days of driving... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #30
A prototype of this system was srarted in Europe a few years back... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #40
No time for coffee Statistical Sep 2015 #43
Well, you have to drive to a gas station but with electric your cheap as dirt gas station is at home. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #28
It can be if the fueling station has extra batteries stocked, and acts as a Volaris Sep 2015 #41
On cars, charge time depends on the charger. jeff47 Sep 2015 #14
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2015 #31
And fueled by solar panels on your roof. Matariki Sep 2015 #23
For comparison... jeff47 Sep 2015 #2
You can add Chevy Bolt (100% BEV same 200 miles range) Statistical Sep 2015 #7
Don't forget Chevy's new Volt and... TreasonousBastard Sep 2015 #13
Sure. Just trying to give a little context, not all context. jeff47 Sep 2015 #17
Right, the 30+ grand price point is a sweet spot... TreasonousBastard Sep 2015 #20
Keep in mind the "charging station" for home just requires a 240 outlet jeff47 Sep 2015 #21
I was thinking of rentals... TreasonousBastard Sep 2015 #25
For the most part new technology is quite expensive. Glassunion Sep 2015 #4
35k will buy me 3 daily drivers. ileus Sep 2015 #10
Good point but what about fuel Statistical Sep 2015 #12
Assuming they depreciate like a typical gas car jeff47 Sep 2015 #18
6-8yo??? I'd never buy a DD that new. ileus Sep 2015 #19
If it's in your price range, why not? jeff47 Sep 2015 #22
Really? "Old turds?" TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #27
You have a point, a 7 yr old car is fully depreciated and quality is better now... cars last uponit7771 Sep 2015 #29
sssso between a Leaf and Prius, then MisterP Sep 2015 #24
Considering I've never paid more than $11k for a car BainsBane Sep 2015 #26
It will happen PasadenaTrudy Sep 2015 #34
To bad 35000 dollars is way more car workinclasszero Sep 2015 #32
still out of my price range PasadenaTrudy Sep 2015 #33
If you're only doing 10 miles, you've got lots of other options. jeff47 Sep 2015 #35
and a replacement battery pack or three. ileus Sep 2015 #36
Actually, the battery packs have been holding up very well. jeff47 Sep 2015 #37
WOW thats great! oneshooter Sep 2015 #38
2018 and $49,000 nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #39
I will take that bet. Statistical Sep 2015 #42
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