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backscatter712

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68. We're not talking about men. We're talking about trans-women.

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Tue Sep 8, 2015, 05:47 PM

Sep 2015

You're deliberately conflating the two.

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Allowing biological men to use women's restrooms? [View all] Nye Bevan Sep 2015 OP

we definitely shouldnt let mechanical men use them. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #1

Most women I know would be uncomfortable if a man enters to do his bussiness, Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #2

As a woman, I don't think I'd care if Caitlyn Jenner entered the women's bathroom I was in. CTyankee Sep 2015 #8

The thread is not just about transgender people Doingto Sep 2015 #157

Is it? backscatter712 Sep 2015 #164

Exactly right. Nye is saying that transgendered female is not necessarily female CreekDog Sep 2015 #345

She takes hormones, so she's partially transitioned. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #219

That may be, but I'm pretty likely to get attacked if I use a men's bathroom MillennialDem Sep 2015 #383

OK, this is making me crazy...I'm just taking myself out before I go completely nuts... CTyankee Sep 2015 #384

Me, I'm uncomfortable when anyone refers to it as "doing their business" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #26

I would be fully uncomfortable if a woman were in the men's room while I was using the urinal. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #38

"...take a Trump." CrispyQ Sep 2015 #57

Reminded me of this... Lancero Sep 2015 #245

I sometimes go in men's room when there is a line at the women's. Laffy Kat Sep 2015 #99

My wife has asked me to stand guard a few times when the ladies loo Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #119

Exactly, it's a toilet, no big deal. If a guy is lounging around an empty ladies room, that's underahedgerow Sep 2015 #312

I wouldn't be comfortable either ibegurpard Sep 2015 #267

Dangerous? woolldog Sep 2015 #278

A woman walking into a men's room with a bunch of creepers... backscatter712 Sep 2015 #289

A number of women have posted woolldog Sep 2015 #394

Exactly . . . markpkessinger Sep 2015 #373

Completely agree here.. ion_theory Sep 2015 #45

I think the real question for a man might be, if you had a 10 year old daughter pnwmom Sep 2015 #223

How do you know who is already in there or not? What about teachers at school, or maybe uppityperson Sep 2015 #246

Sometimes it is possible to know just by looking into the door. pnwmom Sep 2015 #253

How about he simply walked in with her and waited with her if there was a line, or for her to uppityperson Sep 2015 #257

The point is that most fathers would trust their daughter alone in a bathroom pnwmom Sep 2015 #266

Why would a man trust his daughter to strange women either? uppityperson Sep 2015 #274

Yes, they do. But a man who is in the ladies room for no apparent reason pnwmom Sep 2015 #283

Why? Maybe a man walking into a women's rest room is going it to fetch their child, or someone uppityperson Sep 2015 #292

I said "for no apparent reason" and empty restroom. So your examples don't fit. pnwmom Sep 2015 #294

I wouldn't trust anyone loitering in an empty restroom for no apparent reason uppityperson Sep 2015 #300

Women take longer in the bathroom than men. That's been measured. pnwmom Sep 2015 #308

Maybe I missed something, but I think statistics is the very obvious answer. prayin4rain Sep 2015 #301

Statistics show most car accidents happen closed to home so you shouldn't drive closed to where you uppityperson Sep 2015 #302

No one is suggesting prayin4rain Sep 2015 #304

And transwomen fear for their safety in men's rooms, with good reason. pnwmom Sep 2015 #310

pnwmom is repeating the false meme that giving the transgendered civil rights risks sexual predation CreekDog Sep 2015 #350

Right. The issue isn't transwomen, it's men. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #309

Again, you keep trying to get us to deny the civil rights of the transgendered CreekDog Sep 2015 #347

+ 100000 yardwork Sep 2015 #357

And you keep denying women the right to be safe from attacks of cis-males. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #374

How do laws against the transgendered protect you from attacks of cismales? CreekDog Sep 2015 #378

Laws keeping cis-males out of ladies rooms protect all women pnwmom Sep 2015 #379

so that's the only thing you want codified in law? CreekDog Sep 2015 #380

why should laws that harm people be based on your ignorance? CreekDog Sep 2015 #381

The harm against some has to be weighed against the harm against others. pnwmom Sep 2015 #390

Who are you saying it's okay to harm? CreekDog Sep 2015 #391

No one. So the best solution is probably individual bathrooms. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #393

Can I honestly ask why you think your own hangups about the transgendered are so important? CreekDog Sep 2015 #346

As the mother of sons, this came up every time they used a public bathroom. yardwork Sep 2015 #354

This Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #386

"I stood near the entrance woolldog Sep 2015 #395

I think I was thinking more along the lines of.. ion_theory Sep 2015 #376

They just have to get over their old fashioned stereotypes. AngryAmish Sep 2015 #49

As long as we have stalls for the "business", I'm good. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #118

Trans women are women. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #3

Noticed that, too, in the questions, and didn't know how to respond. closeupready Sep 2015 #5

That's why I was like - huh? JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #36

I feel like we are wandering into Focus on the Family Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #40

I agree with you JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #102

I wish all public bathrooms were like that! Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #105

Most of the public toilets enlightenment Sep 2015 #112

"Definitely crafted to be insensitive" HERVEPA Sep 2015 #326

So glad another person sees it - I've added to this JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #327

Welcome to the land of TERF framing. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #140

Yes, I've had my run-ins before, here and elsewhere. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #142

The problem is, how to distinguish a true trans woman whathehell Sep 2015 #54

It's settled case law. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #69

In practice, it will likely whathehell Sep 2015 #77

And attacked by the same right-wing enemies. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #91

The right to privacy whathehell Sep 2015 #263

Why not? Lots of Freepers here. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #269

Sorry, but I think you're jumping the gun here whathehell Sep 2015 #281

Trans-inclusion is the standard set out by case law. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #286

That's nice, but csee law is not what is under discussion.. whathehell Sep 2015 #337

You replied to me. You're welcome. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #339

After you replied to me... whathehell Sep 2015 #352

Check the subthread, you replied first to me. #54 Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #389

Lol..Sorry, not interested in petty "who said it first" competitions whathehell Sep 2015 #399

that is just right wing transphobic nonsense Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #163

So what would you like? A door guard, checking everyone's papers before they enter? uppityperson Sep 2015 #190

Yes, of course,.. whathehell Sep 2015 #230

You do know, I hope that rapists have "access to women" all over, not just in unisex restrooms uppityperson Sep 2015 #234

Yes, it is a very odd discussion whathehell Sep 2015 #249

I especially like requests for definitions and to clarify something that are ignored uppityperson Sep 2015 #251

Enjoy yourself whathehell Sep 2015 #271

Don't play along with the meme CreekDog Sep 2015 #348

so you're saying that rapists say that they are transgendered CreekDog Sep 2015 #351

I'm not saying anything like that.. whathehell Sep 2015 #356

Well if you were trying to communicate something different CreekDog Sep 2015 #359

No, I think whathehell Sep 2015 #400

Because public restrooms are the only place they could find women? winter is coming Sep 2015 #392

Why do you think society decided to mandate sex segregated public lavatories in.the first place? whathehell Sep 2015 #398

How do you define "women," then? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #80

By the legal definition, that is commonly accepted now to be nondiscriminatory. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #88

+1 nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #96

I don't support unisex restrooms, sorry. closeupready Sep 2015 #4

Neither do I. WillowTree Sep 2015 #31

I'm with you. But someday I'll die off and the rest can pee and poop in perfect harmony. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #42

troughs sound disturbing Skittles Sep 2015 #162

Yuck is a good word. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2015 #205

This isn't about unisex restrooms. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #175

Absolutely correct. I alerted on the OP for exactly that reason. Zorra Sep 2015 #221

I alerted on it after you did. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #260

I agree DirtDart1319 Sep 2015 #196

My first experience with a unisex community restroom was in the military Major Nikon Sep 2015 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2015 #213

so you don't ever eat at small restaurants? CreekDog Sep 2015 #353

Uh.....what? jeff47 Sep 2015 #6

If they are biological women, this poll does not apply to them, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #9

If you're going to kick the "biological men" to the men's room... jeff47 Sep 2015 #11

You seem to be arguing for men to be allowed to use whichever bathroom they choose. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #12

Nope. I'm arguing that throwing transgender people into the opposite bathroom is bad. jeff47 Sep 2015 #17

Read the OP again. The word "transgender" is in there (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #29

As a poll choice, after you've set up people to reject it by using "biological male" everywhere else jeff47 Sep 2015 #129

you're the guy who sounded upset that he couldn't use the word "cripple" anymore CreekDog Sep 2015 #355

What do you mean by "biological men"? I do not understand the use of that term. uppityperson Sep 2015 #192

From that linked page: the impossible choice! tblue37 Sep 2015 #239

I don't see any further purpose of having seperate restrooms. Shandris Sep 2015 #7

Why are the comfort and preferences ONLY of those who are transgender to be considered? WillowTree Sep 2015 #34

It's not. I'm not considering 'comfort and preference' at ALL. Shandris Sep 2015 #52

OK. I understand that you're saying....... WillowTree Sep 2015 #101

Ahh, so you failed reading comprehension. That's okay. Shandris Sep 2015 #106

I failed nothing. WillowTree Sep 2015 #111

There's a lot of that. pecwae Sep 2015 #151

Thank you for your concern. Shandris Sep 2015 #231

Always happy to oblige. nt pecwae Sep 2015 #307

Are you proud of yourself for thinking that if the transgendered are allowed to use a restroom CreekDog Sep 2015 #361

because they aren't "comfort and preferences" but Civil Rights CreekDog Sep 2015 #360

Ah yes. Taking a condescending tone always wins people over to your view! WillowTree Sep 2015 #382

If you don't approve of a condescending tone, why did you call using the bathroom a "convenience" CreekDog Sep 2015 #388

I've happily shared the women's loo with drag queens Warpy Sep 2015 #10

In posting this poll I'm thinking more about grandmothers at highway rest stops Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #14

Maybe a separate grandmother's restroom then? LanternWaste Sep 2015 #15

As a man a few short months away from becoming a grandfather, I would welcome this option Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #44

Many places have 'family' restrooms. peace13 Sep 2015 #293

... geardaddy Sep 2015 #358

How about a separate transgender bathroom? whathehell Sep 2015 #401

Sharing bathrooms with grandmothers is tolerable. LeftyMom Sep 2015 #20

Oh, yeah, gotta protect those poor, innocent little grannies. Warpy Sep 2015 #280

zOMG, grandma got runned over by a Jamastiene Sep 2015 #342

honey, we have all shared restrooms with people in drag elehhhhna Sep 2015 #144

Exactly the way I feel about it. Warpy Sep 2015 #148

it's not like anyone's doing a butt check when you walk in elehhhhna Sep 2015 #152

As a middle aged female wearing levis and a flannel shirt, I need to use the gents room? uppityperson Sep 2015 #193

Wow. qwlauren35 Sep 2015 #13

Obviously banning men from women's restrooms reduces the probability of rape happening. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #32

no it doesn't. What evidence do you have for that? Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #167

Why do you say "dress up as women"? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #173

Your poll is a shit poll. You made your beliefs quite clear. You are *very concerned* Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #176

Polls where DU is pretty much divided 50-50, as this one is, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #182

ignorance on gender issues is widespread. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #185

a poll about the transgendered use of restrooms only has one option with the word "transgendered" CreekDog Sep 2015 #362

What is your evidence for the claim that banning transgendered people from el_bryanto Sep 2015 #318

You could or couldn't care less? I could care much less, but I don't. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #46

You got me. qwlauren35 Sep 2015 #113

Define "biological man." Iggo Sep 2015 #16

It's a TERF/RW-bigot frame that insinuates that trans-women are trying to trick you. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #143

exactly. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #178

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #324

What are "biological men"? Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #18

Thank you - I was wondering too n/t JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #37

Seems we are to receive no answer. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #303

I didn't know it was a complicated defination Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #377

A lot of trans people don't ever do bottom surgery. LeftyMom Sep 2015 #19

... Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #21

Those in the process of transformation to their gender should be allowed to use the restroom of Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #22

My mother has MS and cannot go to the restroom by herself. LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #23

Women have an expectation that the bathroom will be "women only" TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #28

I'd rather keep bathrooms separate yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #115

lol woolldog Sep 2015 #285

Poorly worded poll shenmue Sep 2015 #24

Transphobically framed push-poll. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #187

I know, I thought the OP wouldn't do that shenmue Sep 2015 #202

Or intentionally. Lancero Sep 2015 #198

Exactly nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #323

How might you know? Vinca Sep 2015 #25

We need more unisex crappers! MADem Sep 2015 #27

More US Puritanical prudery. mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #30

"there was NOBODY in the men's room" kinda makes your point, pointless. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #83

Someone dressed as a woman going in a men's room would be viewed strangely IF mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #110

How about a man dressed as a man... NotoriousRBG Sep 2015 #123

This was my thought DirtDart1319 Sep 2015 #212

Women's restrooms have stalls abelenkpe Sep 2015 #33

For me the issue is more one of creepy (not transgender) men going into the women's restroom, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #35

Well, perverts have always had the opportunity to go in women's restrooms mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #39

Creepy men are more likely to enter women's restrooms if they are legally allowed to do so, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #43

I'd like to see the case studies showing this is true Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #55

Why do you think creepy men are more likely to assault women in restrooms if they are unisex? uppityperson Sep 2015 #195

Yes, they have -- but the laws have meant they could be arrested for doing so. pnwmom Sep 2015 #295

The issue sounds quite a lot more like transphobia dressed up as "concern" Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #41

My thoughts exactly... n/t backscatter712 Sep 2015 #170

So the concern is sexual assault? Or violence? abelenkpe Sep 2015 #48

Who do you think is in more danger? Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #50

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One notices he didn't answer. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #130

Did you know that how you dress is not an indication of your gender? I am middle aged female in levi uppityperson Sep 2015 #199

You just used the Klan Fallacy. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #70

so you're saying that the laws permitting transgendered to use the restroom CreekDog Sep 2015 #363

How about it's none of my business what is in your pants Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #47

That would be the first option if you would like to vote in the poll (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #51

No, it isn't. Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #53

Ah, so "none of my business" does not necessarily mean "should be legal" (nt). Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #58

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As you can see from the poll results, DU is divided almost exactly 50-50 on this issue. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #64

That just means DU has a lot of, well, we aren't allowed to call them what they are, who don't understand that this is already the law. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #74

You say that like it means anything. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #94

Whoops, forgot the "internet poll" disclaimer. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #125

It is not fifty-fifty LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #235

You do realize that response distributions in DU polls suffer from self-selection bias, right? n/t Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #341

I urge jury nullification on Cal Carpenter's post... n/t backscatter712 Sep 2015 #134

I concur. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #159

I know. I don't understand why people have to cuss at others if they disagree. cwydro Sep 2015 #316

I second this. The overt bigotry on display here is horrendous. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #169

You are officially due beer and travel money, and many experiences. nt Zorra Sep 2015 #243

No, it isn't. Your first option is "Biological men" which is far different and as of yet, undefined uppityperson Sep 2015 #201

#5 Americans should grow up about sex. randys1 Sep 2015 #60

Is this really only a US issue? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #62

Americans should grow up about sex. randys1 Sep 2015 #63

Poorly worded gollygee Sep 2015 #65

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We're not talking about men. We're talking about trans-women. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #68

Well, to be fair, it is my OP and that was my poll question (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #73

Yeah, and your framing is fucking bullshit. n/t backscatter712 Sep 2015 #75

I'm sorry that you didn't like the wording of my poll (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #78

And I'm not sorry for calling out your bullshit. n/t backscatter712 Sep 2015 #81

I appreciate your contribution to the discussion. I certainly don't need an apology. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #85

And half our country is infatuated with Donald Trump. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #131

Polls like this are called push polls for a reason. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #180

Hmmm. I didn't use the word "rape", the word "attack" or even the word "assault", Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #186

Calling transwomen "biological men," which your second question expressly does, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #200

Under 50 participants IS NOT HALF OF DU. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #317

I agree about the bullshit framing. Frankly I'm not surprised, though. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #95

Ditto on the bullshit framing AND not one bit surprised either. Polls like this make DU suck. bettyellen Sep 2015 #242

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service eggplant Sep 2015 #371

I don't think cis men should go into a women's room without announcing and gollygee Sep 2015 #72

Let's try this. Say a non-transgender man uses the lady's room at a highway rest stop every day, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #76

Yes. It's called "being a Peeping Tom". WinkyDink Sep 2015 #84

Trans-women should not be subjected to a crotch-search to be allowed to go in a bathroom and pee. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #67

I agree with every word of your post (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #82

MEN have No Business in a woman's restroom and Visa Versa trueblue2007 Sep 2015 #71

My next question: Allowing TERFs on a Democratic message board. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #79

Relevant: Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #86

I love this cartoon. Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #135

A very good question indeed! nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #89

Because DU juries choose to allow it? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #90

For those who don't know, TERF = Trans-Exclusionary Reactionary Feminist. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #98

I have had quite an education Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #138

There are no TERFs here. The OP is not a radical feminist. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #93

There are plenty of TERFs here (not necessarily in this thread, perhaps) Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #97

the only transphobic stuff I've seen have been from those who are generally not aligned geek tragedy Sep 2015 #104

Then you haven't seen the same things I have, but I can assure you they're here. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #108

you can PM, I'd be interested to see geek tragedy Sep 2015 #109

I think I know who the previous poster is talking about gollygee Sep 2015 #117

The James Dobson wing of the party is sure getting an airing here today, ain't they? Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #107

An altogether better question. nt Codeine Sep 2015 #121

Hell no. sagat Sep 2015 #87

If *HE* is dressed as a woman, I'll let him come in mainer Sep 2015 #92

Doesn't such an approach simply woolldog Sep 2015 #287

Sex-Segregated Public Restrooms Are an Outdated Relic of Victorian Paternalism davidn3600 Sep 2015 #100

I agree! tammywammy Sep 2015 #116

A rapist is more likely to walk into a woman's restroom if he knows he cannot be arrested Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #128

Someone that already has ill intentions is going to do it regardless. n/t tammywammy Sep 2015 #141

Why would you think that? What proof of any sort do you have of that? uppityperson Sep 2015 #232

as long as they use a stall and don't request those smelly urinals notadmblnd Sep 2015 #103

The results of the poll are sad and uninformed. yardwork Sep 2015 #114

I thought perhaps an armband so that the gender police could clearly identify them. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #181

Yeah, a piece of flair that they'd be required to wear on their clothing... backscatter712 Sep 2015 #184

How about a yellow penis on their clothes geardaddy Sep 2015 #364

Are you kidding me with this? blogslut Sep 2015 #120

I'm guessing that you disagree with 50% of DU on this issue? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #122

Oh, child. blogslut Sep 2015 #124

. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #126

Or as the Irish these days might say... backscatter712 Sep 2015 #137

I think the real issue is women feeling vulnerable to sexual assault mainer Sep 2015 #127

And that's why trans-women shouldn't be forced to use the men's room. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #132

This poll doesn't seem to hit the issue of transgender very fully. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #133

I was expecting the middle choice to get the most votes. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #145

Creeps have hidden in women's rooms before gollygee Sep 2015 #147

Remember this dude? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #150

I don't think it'll make any difference at all gollygee Sep 2015 #155

If you don't think that any creeps would be emboldened by being legally allowed in the ladys room, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #172

I am really confused why you continue this line uppityperson Sep 2015 #238

Oh. Well, I'd have voted the middle one! PatrickforO Sep 2015 #149

As a men, I selfishly would not give a shit who's in there with me. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #154

Well, I have a wife and daughters too, and soon will have a grand daughter. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #158

Again, I am not the slightest bit concerned about transgender people. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #160

Oh! I get it now. Sorry for being dense. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #165

How paternalistic of you. Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #211

Yes, having daughters has made me more paternalistic. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #215

I have a daughter Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #218

+1 Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #250

Are you seriously not aware of how many transwomen Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #188

With almost 200 responses, DU divided 50-50 and a vigorous, lively debate? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #191

So if I put an intentionally racist push poll up, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #203

I have made it abundantly clear that I have no issue with genuine transgender people. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #206

Then why did you not put a single option in your poll Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #282

DU is not divided 50-50. Jamastiene Sep 2015 #349

Who do you know that carries "medical documentation of being transgender" around with them? uppityperson Sep 2015 #236

Yes, we can make transsexuals wear something on their clothes to prove they are. jeff47 Sep 2015 #331

As long as they don't pee on the seat, I don't get the problem HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #136

I've often wondered if anyone here has kids... ileus Sep 2015 #139

The question is not whether men (however you label them) Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #146

the transphobic poster of this transphobic poll knows that and thinks he is being cute Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #171

Do you consider all the DUers who chose option 3 in the poll to be transphobic? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #177

I consider your position here on this issue to be one of overt transphobic bigotry. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #179

Again, thanks for sharing your feelings on this issue (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #183

Unisex shitters for all JackInGreen Sep 2015 #153

A person who is psychologically or physically a woman should use the prayin4rain Sep 2015 #156

I would think that incidents of trans-women assaulting cis-women would be very rare. Maedhros Sep 2015 #174

Oh, I totally agree. prayin4rain Sep 2015 #197

Your question is transphobic. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #161

For all the women here that are fine with this Heeeeers Johnny Sep 2015 #168

So do women Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #216

LOL @ "deuces" geardaddy Sep 2015 #365

Having been a janitor, both men and women are slobs in toilets. uppityperson Sep 2015 #240

I would assume most use the urinal, and as such the toilets are cleaner. Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #264

I don't know how to break this to you, but there are no urinals in a women's restroom. WillowTree Sep 2015 #284

"YOU VANT TO TAKE DUMP?? VERE ARE YOUR PAPERS??" bullwinkle428 Sep 2015 #189

Conservatives Use "Bathroom Panic" To Defeat Transgender Non-Discrimination Laws Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #194

In France there are unisex restrooms Nevernose Sep 2015 #204

Gendered bathrooms aren't necessary. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #208

How about we relabel the bathrooms on the NJ Turnpike rest stops as "bathroom 1" and "bathroom 2", Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #210

Why do you think women wouldn't be receptive to this concept? Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #220

Outside of Wrigley Field I haven't seen "troughs" in at least 25 years (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #222

And that anecdote means what, exactly? Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #225

Then you haven't been to the First Avenue club in Minneapolis. bullwinkle428 Sep 2015 #241

There are still a few places... backscatter712 Sep 2015 #248

And the CC Club and Lyle's and the State Fair geardaddy Sep 2015 #367

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And because in one case, a black man assaulted a white woman... backscatter712 Sep 2015 #214

Not sure single-sex restrooms are analogous to whites-only schools. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #217

And we have a winner!!![n/t] LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #237

Congratulations, exhaustive Googling has found you a single instance... Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #226

A letter from a psychiatrist is actually a good idea, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #229

You seem to be amazingly ignorant Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #233

It's just the usual trolling. Nothing more. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2015 #313

Biological men Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #224

Its called a "Urinal" if you have penis...use it. hexola Sep 2015 #227

Head Games... hexola Sep 2015 #228

Is there no such thing as Heterophobia? (nt) hexola Sep 2015 #244

No there isn't. Its homophobic bullshit similar to "reverse racism". n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #297

No. shenmue Sep 2015 #305

I don't know how I feel about this yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #247

tired of offending the usual groups? CreekDog Sep 2015 #252

Would DU be a better and more interesting place if nobody was ever offended? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #256

No. DU would be a better place without transphobia or homophobic posts. uppityperson Sep 2015 #261

Perhaps we could have some kind of "jury system" Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #265

What post of yours was hidden in the last 90 days? I am sincerely curious, if you'd link it. uppityperson Sep 2015 #276

(Trigger warning) it was a somewhat facetious remark about "microaggressions" and "trigger warnings". Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #279

Frankly, Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #254

My genitals are not attached to a facility. Are yours? uppityperson Sep 2015 #259

Why? Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #298

I second the "Why?" justiceischeap Sep 2015 #340

I was attempting sarcasm at the expense of Jenner. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #366

I don't care who poops where. svpadgham Sep 2015 #255

And how do you determine this? ibegurpard Sep 2015 #258

A DUer upthread suggested that a psychiatrist's letter could serve as documentation. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #262

Are you seriously suggesting we check papers ibegurpard Sep 2015 #268

No. (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #272

Papers please? backscatter712 Sep 2015 #270

No. But if a woman complains to a cop or security guard about a man in the women's restroom, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #277

If a woman complains about a person behaving inappropriately in the women's restroom, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #288

I did not, in fact, suggest that Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #290

I'm going to be rude here. WARNING! Don't read the text Nye, you will likley be offended. vkkv Sep 2015 #369

Im confused...by excremental discrimination hexola Sep 2015 #275

How about getting rid of the gaps? tandot Sep 2015 #273

How is this going to be determined? lonestarnot Sep 2015 #291

I couldn't care less Egnever Sep 2015 #296

Push poll much? marmar Sep 2015 #299

No, "push poll" does not mean "poll whose results I don't like Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #315

If a transgender woman wants to use a restroom who cares what is between her legs? dilby Sep 2015 #306

Nuke the site from orbit. Orrex Sep 2015 #311

There is always a line at the womens restrooms liberal N proud Sep 2015 #314

You are a real piece of work, Nye. morningfog Sep 2015 #319

why is 'i am an asshole' not a response option? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #320

Anyone who believes themself to be an asshole is welcome to post that in the thread (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #321

i believe you are, so you should have added it as an option. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #322

That would force them to either "break character" or show some self awareness. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2015 #344

The option I was looking for was 'The author of this poll is a bigoted, shallow minded fool'. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #375

I won't answer your poll. MineralMan Sep 2015 #325

I was beginning to wonder why you hadn't voted. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #330

I doubt you were wondering about that at all. MineralMan Sep 2015 #338

Huge straw man post! nt longship Sep 2015 #328

anyone have kids here??? ileus Sep 2015 #329

Yep. Even have a daughter. The poll is still a steaming pile of transphobia. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #332

No Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #334

I have two kids. n/t gollygee Sep 2015 #368

What a crock of shit. Jamastiene Sep 2015 #333

You've eaten quite the meal this week Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #335

When did you stop beating your spouse? That question is just as honest as your poll. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #336

A thread to prove my point and rather perfectly. Rex Sep 2015 #343

I'm not sure which is worse . . . markpkessinger Sep 2015 #370

Bigoted push poll- and another abstention for this trash bettyellen Sep 2015 #372

Who gives a shit? bobclark86 Sep 2015 #385

Yes, chilling is good...breahe.... CTyankee Sep 2015 #387

^^ This ^^ Fearless Sep 2015 #397

It's a bathroom. Do you have separate bathrooms for men and women at home?? Fearless Sep 2015 #396