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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:58 AM Sep 2015

The Little Known Holocaust, Before the Death Camps: Babi Yar (Graphic photos) [View all]

Almost 75 years ago, between September 29 and 30, 1941, 33,771 Jews were murdered at a ravine just outside of Kiev, known as Babi Yar. They weren't sent to the death camps of Poland or other places. When the Germans had finally taken Kiev, after a few months of battling the Soviets, they issued the following edict:

All (Jews) living in the city of Kiev and its vicinity are to report by 8 o'clock on the morning of Monday, September 29th, 1941, at the corner of Melnikovsky and Dokhturov Streets (near the cemetery). They are to take with them documents, money, valuables, as well as warm clothes, underwear, etc. Any (Jew) not carrying out this instruction and who is found elsewhere will be shot. Any civilian entering flats evacuated by (Jews) and stealing property will be shot. (source)


Of course, the word "Jew" was not used, instead it was the equivalent of the word "kike" and was posted in both Russian and Ukrainian. (source). Once the Jews gathered, they were taken to the gorge, made to strip naked, then in groups of about 10-20 people, they were systematically gunned down by an Einsatzgruppe and fell into the gorge. Men, women, and children were sent to their deaths in this manner. Over the next few years, the total of those murdered at Babi Yar was believed to have grown to 100,000 and include Jews who escaped the initial massacre, the Roma, communists, and prisoners of war.

The grotesque nature of the event wasn't over; as the Soviet army advanced to reclaim Kiev in 1943, the Nazi's did what they could to hide the evidence of what happened. They "enlisted" several prisoners, some were Jews, to get rid of the remains. First, they had to dig up the bodies, then they used special hooks to pull the bodies from the grave, many of the bodies had fused together. To further the desecration, they were instructed to search the bodies for any valuables which may have been missed, especially gold teeth, and remove them. A pyre was created of which the base was made of the gravestones from the local Jewish cemetery. Once the bodies were reduced to ash, then the ash was sifted to check for gold and pieces of bone, which were then pulverized.

This was The Holocaust. Most people are only familiar with the death camps, and while they certainly played a part in the destruction of the Jewish people of Europe, as well as many others, including gays, Romani people, Poles, and the list goes on, events like Babi Yar were happening well before the death camps were established. The continued to happen throughout the war, just on a much, much smaller scale. Given some recent events and demonstrations of the lack of knowledge about the Holocaust, I felt it was important to bring this event to light here and give people an opportunity to learn something they may not have known about the Holocaust, WWII, and the Nazi regime and its depraved cruelty.


An aerial photograph of Babi Yar taken by the German air force. September 26, 1943.
— National Archives and Records Administration, College Park, Md.





Nazi SS Special Commanders line up Kiev Jews to execute them with guns and push them in to a ditch, already containing bodies of victims, The Babi Yar Massacre, World War II, 1941. (Photo by Hulton Archive/Getty Images)


The Babi Yar memorial to the Jewish victims (picture from http://thewanderingscot.com/), which wasn't allowed until 1991 and vandalized in 2006 (source).
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The Einsatzgruppen.... villager Sep 2015 #1
I get such chills seeing the 14th SS logos across Ukraine MisterP Sep 2015 #5
I often LWolf Sep 2015 #15
Exactly. In her great "Parable of the Sower," Octavia Butler posited that the next "mutation" villager Sep 2015 #28
That's the core. LWolf Sep 2015 #32
The Holocaust was first implemented by roving firing squads Ex Lurker Sep 2015 #2
I do not think I have ever felt as hungry as I did reading 'Babi Yar'. nt Mnemosyne Sep 2015 #3
I think you mean angry PaddyIrishman Sep 2015 #13
I should have included that, I was livid. nt Mnemosyne Oct 2015 #37
I read that book many years ago. denbot Sep 2015 #19
I wish I believed in hell for many then and now. nt Mnemosyne Oct 2015 #39
I read that book many times as a kid - horrific jpak Sep 2015 #24
I had forgotten about that cat! Need to re-read this book. nt Mnemosyne Oct 2015 #38
... beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #4
... 840high Sep 2015 #6
There are no words ... nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #7
K&R. The Holocaust makes all other genocides in the 20th century almost trivial. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #8
Khmer Rouge? Xithras Sep 2015 #25
Khmer Rouge -- most sadistic. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #26
The Holodomor was quite sadistic as well. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #34
Most people really have no idea. (brutality warning) Xithras Oct 2015 #40
Unbelievable. Makes me want to believe in a Hell and JDPriestly Oct 2015 #42
The worst part... Xithras Oct 2015 #45
Visited something similar outside of Vilnius, Lithuania Hulk Sep 2015 #9
... Duppers Sep 2015 #10
One of my favorite profs said we aren't human beings, but human becomings. mahina Sep 2015 #12
I like that, Mahina. Duppers Sep 2015 #14
Hope it lightens the load. mahina Sep 2015 #35
anti semitism was so wide spread and for hundreds of years JI7 Sep 2015 #11
It is still quite common today, just not as "in your face" as it was in the past. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #20
The Catholic Church was instrumental in spreading fear JDPriestly Oct 2015 #43
Horrifying. Sissyk Sep 2015 #16
"Masters of Death: The SS-Einsatzgruppen and the Invention of the Holocaust" Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #17
Thank you for this, BtA. brer cat Sep 2015 #18
There's always time for a history lesson, esp as important as this. Thanks BtA. K&R riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #21
Many, many years ago, I found a book in a swap rack called 1monster Sep 2015 #22
Horrific. polly7 Sep 2015 #23
I learned about Babi Yar in high school. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #27
As long as I live I will never understand this kind of evil. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #29
I was told people would never line up for their own execution. Rex Sep 2015 #30
Thank you. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #44
I made an ass out of myself over this issue. Rex Oct 2015 #46
The Holocaust Snow Leopard Sep 2015 #31
Thank you for this - LiberalElite Sep 2015 #33
Similarly my FIL kept some TBF Sep 2015 #36
A late friend of my wife's family was in the Hitler Youth DFW Oct 2015 #41
BABI YAR By Yevgeni Yevtushenko Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #47
No monument stands over Babi Yar. rug Oct 2015 #48
I read a book on this about 20 years ago. geardaddy Oct 2015 #49
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