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Dwayne Hicks

(637 posts)
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 07:15 PM Oct 2015

Its time for Democrats to drop the gun control platform [View all]

Let us face the truth, the control platform is a losing platform. The more you talk about it the more people vote against you. There is nothing wrong with expanded background checks, and expanded mental health checks but this has all been tarnished by the gun ban crowd. The reason why we cannot have a rational discussion is also at the fault of the Democrats, with certain members still clinging to assault weapon bans, heavy restrictions on handguns (which are defacto bans). This is the one area where we as a party do not recognize reality. And the reality is a large majority do not want "assault weapons" banned including myself. It will do nothing to curb the violence we see it didn't back then (when the ban was in effect) and it certainly will not now. The objective should be to close the loopholes in the southern states (where most of the illegal firearms come from) but tightening background checks and oversight at gun shows and private sales. But none of that will happen as long as Democrats (even if its a minority of them) keep discussing banning certain guns based on appearance and fear factor. Gun control is a losing platform every time and only costs votes which drives the Democrats further away from being able to achieve any sort of gun control sanity. Drop gun control.

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. Rex Oct 2015 #1
I agree Rex. GGJohn Oct 2015 #6
Sounds good! Rex Oct 2015 #8
Extra butter? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #9
Movie theater butter! Rex Oct 2015 #13
Outstanding!!! eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #15
Damn disapointing.................... oneshooter Oct 2015 #111
Popped some popcorn? Quackers Oct 2015 #104
Strangely enough...I also had some bubble wrap laying around. Rex Oct 2015 #105
Hey guys... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #14
Got an entire case in the fridge. Here crack open a cold one! Rex Oct 2015 #17
I'm on it. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #39
No problem, GGJohn Oct 2015 #18
My pad batts are running out, guess I'll miss the woowoo talk! Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #23
Drop in the charger. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #34
Think I am going to need something a lot stronger! Initech Oct 2015 #98
Pass the butter please! Initech Oct 2015 #97
I think my expression in this thread is more like Jons. Rex Oct 2015 #106
NRA and gun lovers are really feeling the pressure, is what this OP tells me...first Bengazhi falls, Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #2
Exactly right! The terrorist enabler gun lobby group NRA workinclasszero Oct 2015 #127
Your concern is noted. stone space Oct 2015 #3
No. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2015 #4
Except there were fewer mass shootings when the ban was in effect villager Oct 2015 #5
What trolling? Dwayne Hicks Oct 2015 #7
Your concern trolling, obviously villager Oct 2015 #11
Villager is in charge of things 'round here. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #24
But everyone knows who really runs things kcr Oct 2015 #52
what stats, we don't need any stinking stats! Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #37
they may have to chose btwn guns and s.s.,medicare,the environment,war,poverty,no education saturnsring Oct 2015 #10
Oy. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2015 #12
Run on other issues, then once they have a majority, boom, pass some meaningful reform NightWatcher Oct 2015 #16
Yeah ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #63
" Freakin' peasants don't know what's good for 'em anyway, right?" demwing Oct 2015 #77
Then and now. Straw Man Oct 2015 #112
Many of the freakin' peasants don't know what's good, period. JackRiddler Oct 2015 #167
No. zappaman Oct 2015 #19
The art of the paragraph. trumad Oct 2015 #20
(!) (nt) enough Oct 2015 #38
I learned about the paragraph in elementary school. cpwm17 Oct 2015 #139
I think this is better than trotting out the same ban rhetoric... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #21
Must be a republican troll rockfordfile Oct 2015 #22
Ok TeddyR Oct 2015 #26
Ok then Dwayne Hicks Oct 2015 #25
Which candidates would those be? Nevernose Oct 2015 #43
Can you say "assault weapon" ban? pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #68
If the dems want to win in sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #27
No doubt Bettie Oct 2015 #28
Everynone here wants to cut down on the mass shootings TeddyR Oct 2015 #29
I'd rather cut down on solo shootings. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #32
^^^This^^^!!! GGJohn Oct 2015 #41
LOL, you love that idea, so what is your solution...... Logical Oct 2015 #80
Gee, did I ever say I had a solution? GGJohn Oct 2015 #86
Either way, the gun people Bettie Oct 2015 #45
You're tired, huh? pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #69
Fine... Bettie Oct 2015 #79
"Happy now, Ben Carson?" pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #116
Kleck? Hemenway? maxsolomon Oct 2015 #99
David Bordua, James Wright, Peter Rossi [RIP] and Gary Kleck to name four. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #117
Oh, I'm sure he "takes them apart". maxsolomon Oct 2015 #144
There's that cheap, unstudied dismissal that you Controllers love to trot out. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #145
Exactly. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #50
And kids accidentally killing one another. n/t OneGrassRoot Oct 2015 #84
Can we walk and chew gum at the same time? stone space Oct 2015 #87
I'm not sure we can walk or chew gum. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #88
Well Bettie Oct 2015 #47
No thanks. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #30
LOL Skittles Oct 2015 #31
No nt upaloopa Oct 2015 #33
So would you agree that the plan countingbluecars Oct 2015 #35
I agree Dwayne Hicks Oct 2015 #57
No fucking way mwrguy Oct 2015 #36
Pass. City Lights Oct 2015 #40
Me too ellie Oct 2015 #166
K&R...telling it like it is. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #42
You might as well just become a republican by your logic. BTW, you might feel more at home at... madinmaryland Oct 2015 #44
jury results restorefreedom Oct 2015 #110
I'd rather stand with a losing platform than win on a mound of dead bodies. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #46
Except that jack_krass Oct 2015 #75
So mass murder is acceptable and ethical concern for human life is not. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #108
No, definitely not jack_krass Oct 2015 #129
Says who? ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #130
I do :) jack_krass Oct 2015 #133
We've tried passing no gun laws for years. We need a different idea. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #131
??? jack_krass Oct 2015 #136
We do not pass regulations because the NRA lobbys Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #141
^^^^^ THIS! ^^^^^ stone space Oct 2015 #123
How many people would vote for Democrats if they held a different stance on just this one issue? shawn703 Oct 2015 #48
Yes Dwayne Hicks Oct 2015 #109
No, thanks. MineralMan Oct 2015 #49
On, boy... branford Oct 2015 #51
No. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #53
Trade my values for votes? No thanks. nt TeamPooka Oct 2015 #54
I strongly disagree with your analysis and conclusions Gothmog Oct 2015 #55
But you'll tender no evidence to support you statements. Gotcha. NT pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #71
I wonder how many of our gunners would vote for a Republican over gunz. Hoyt Oct 2015 #56
That does seem to be what they believe a large number of Americans do, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #78
That's my feeling too. Hoyt Oct 2015 #94
Many people are one issue voters, including a great many Democrats. branford Oct 2015 #95
Not worth the political capital LittleBlue Oct 2015 #58
No. brer cat Oct 2015 #59
No. Chan790 Oct 2015 #60
Not only NO, but HELL NO! -none Oct 2015 #61
Before you get all excited, ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #64
Bravo, sir.......BRAVO! pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #74
What I see above is just another post that says don't do anything about the slaughter because of -none Oct 2015 #92
Then you have profoundly misunderstood. Straw Man Oct 2015 #115
You can start here -none Oct 2015 #121
Nothing to see there. Straw Man Oct 2015 #122
No it doesn't. The first link takes you to a list debunking five of the NRA's talking points. -none Oct 2015 #124
Now it does. Last night it didn't. Straw Man Oct 2015 #125
I know they want to mislead people Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #126
Are you on crack? lancer78 Oct 2015 #62
What about it? Dwayne Hicks Oct 2015 #65
If you read it lancer78 Oct 2015 #66
That's not entirely clear, and certainly debatable. branford Oct 2015 #67
As branford as pointed out, "assault weapon" bans have been the centerpiece pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #72
it's very difficult, debating someone who believes NRA propaganda Skittles Oct 2015 #134
As it's very difficult debating someone who believes that certain guns pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #146
Bullshit. It's time for us to have a smarter gun control platform Recursion Oct 2015 #70
This is where I fall as well. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #90
I agree.......great post. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #73
No. grntuscarora Oct 2015 #76
Well, once again, from the "no can do" caucus... CTyankee Oct 2015 #81
You have my vote, Dwayne. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #82
Not a chance. (nt) Paladin Oct 2015 #83
politics should not be about supporting what you think is popular drray23 Oct 2015 #85
Let's now legalize murder, armed robbery, rape and assault IDemo Oct 2015 #89
+1000 Punkingal Oct 2015 #91
Do tell. Straw Man Oct 2015 #128
My guns! My guns! Don't insult my guns! hunter Oct 2015 #93
they're paranoid idiots Skittles Oct 2015 #135
Yep. Those who haven't experienced gun violence or can't imagine it as something bad... hunter Oct 2015 #138
No. It's too important. Our lives depend on it. Vinca Oct 2015 #96
I agree with the OP. GOLGO 13 Oct 2015 #100
I agree, will only cost us votes. nt Logical Oct 2015 #101
If they do drop it, they'll lose even more votes, Pathwalker Oct 2015 #102
Won't somebody please think of Turbineguy Oct 2015 #103
No doubt, the little mind favors political expedience over personal conviction LanternWaste Oct 2015 #107
Effective gun control is a fantasy while the 2nd amendment stands davidn3600 Oct 2015 #113
Just stop your idiotic conversation about gun control! It is about time that the US curb who gets akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #114
An article written over ten years ago for The Nation...... pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #118
Thanks for posting this article, I read it twice. RiverLover Oct 2015 #120
sometimes you don't have something in a platform because it's a winner. Sometimes you do it because craigmatic Oct 2015 #119
NRA BS propaganda...gee nothing can be done workinclasszero Oct 2015 #132
No, it's not. But thank you for your concern. Iggo Oct 2015 #137
You're right, a universal ban would be far preferable. frustrated_lefty Oct 2015 #140
Fuck no. we can do it Oct 2015 #142
While the Repukes are weak it's a good time to kick ass on gun nuttery flamingdem Oct 2015 #143
I hope your guns get confiscated along with every other firearm on the planet. ThePhilosopher04 Oct 2015 #147
I don't agree; guns are an unavoidable issue mvd Oct 2015 #148
We still have an automatic weapons ban. We have for 80 years. Recursion Oct 2015 #149
Hi Recursion mvd Oct 2015 #153
I'm curious, why would you like it brought back? Recursion Oct 2015 #154
It was working well mvd Oct 2015 #157
I agree; I literally don't care about it either way. Recursion Oct 2015 #159
Well I think attitudes may be changing mvd Oct 2015 #162
How so? beevul Oct 2015 #163
I don't feel I need to explain mvd Oct 2015 #164
Shrug. Ok. beevul Oct 2015 #165
Guns have been required to have a"distinctive serial number" since 1934. oneshooter Oct 2015 #156
But do they keep track of them? Seems some sort of registration would be.. mvd Oct 2015 #158
Curently a national firearms registration is against Federal Law. oneshooter Oct 2015 #160
No. It's time for ALL Americans, including the 90% who want gun controls, LynnTheDem Oct 2015 #150
Poll: 92 percent of gun owners support universal background checks LynnTheDem Oct 2015 #151
Yea... deathrind Oct 2015 #152
Yeah.......no. Thanks for playing. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #155
Drop Gun Control To Save Gun Control? lame54 Oct 2015 #161
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