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6. well, just on the money invested on PE on the initiative of this admin alone he deserves support
Sun May 27, 2012, 12:36 PM
May 2012

And, after all, we're talking about a comparison to republicans who have opposed most of those funds in favor of the all-privatization/all-the-time approach of Romney and the republican party. He's not some maverick or something. He's as determined to gut public education as the rest of today's conservatives. It's just not supported by any fact that the president isn't committed to fully investing in public schools.

Now, you do have some very real differences with the President and teachers unions, as you say. But, that doesn't mean that there isn't a real and substantial investment initiated and implemented as a result of this Democratic presidency.

I know that many folks want to ignore the investments made in the Recovery Act for one political motive or the other, but it provided important investments in early learning programs, including Head Start, Early Head Start, child care, and programs for children with special needs. It also helped keep teachers on the job in many struggling communities around the nation.

President Obama signed into law student loan reform, a historic measure to make college more affordable for students and families and save American taxpayers roughly $68 billion over 10 years. Would Romney have initiated and implemented that measure? It certainly took this Democratic administration to make it happen.

The Obama administration has invested $40 billion into Pell Grant scholarships, more than doubling the size of the program since he took office. Meanwhile, republicans proposed cutting Pell Grants by over 15 percent. You think Romney wouldn't go along with them?

Just take a look at conservative complaints about the President's spending and it becomes clear how ridiculous it is to compare Democratic efforts and aspirations in education with the republicans' historically hostile attitude to public school spending.

from the Heritage Foundation:

Obama’s budget request increases the Department of Education budget to $69.8 billion. That’s a 2.5 percent boost over 2012 levels and the largest increase proposed for any domestic government agency.

And that’s not all. Tack on another $13.3 billion in mandatory spending for Pell Grants and the total request is $83 billion. Add to that $60 billion more from Obama’s supplemental “blueprint” — covering school construction, teacher pay and compensation — and you get the picture of just how much this administration has expanded the federal government’s role in education.

The Heritage Foundation’s Lindsey Burke takes Education Secretary Arne Duncan to task for suggesting he doesn’t have enough to make do:

If enacted, these proposals would mean that in one term, President Obama has spent almost as much on education as President George W. Bush spent in two terms—even considering the fact that Bush nearly doubled the size of the DOE. …

I agree completely, but the question that hangs in my mind is... Lionessa May 2012 #1
first, you'd have to locate an 'education policy' of Romney's to debate bigtree May 2012 #2
Yeah, well after much reading here on DU, I have little hope for the public system under Obama Lionessa May 2012 #5
well, just on the money invested on PE on the initiative of this admin alone he deserves support bigtree May 2012 #6
that money comes with strings. iemitsu May 2012 #8
'death warrant?' that's just hyperbolic nonsense bigtree May 2012 #9
big tree, you must not be a public school teacher. iemitsu May 2012 #12
charter schools, as they exist today, don't threaten your job bigtree May 2012 #15
The research you quote is from 1997, when the majority of the few charter schools that existed HiPointDem May 2012 #14
so, like, in a predominately black neighborhood, you'll find a charter school bigtree May 2012 #16
In case you didn't know, charter schools aren't neighborhood schools. They're open to all students. HiPointDem May 2012 #19
you act like they're corralling folk to the schools based on race bigtree May 2012 #22
I didn't say that, & I didn't do the study. I linked a reputable study & gave you a *fact* that HiPointDem May 2012 #23
the 'straw' is acting as if the racial makeup was some issue bigtree May 2012 #24
You're free to keep repeating the falsehood that charter schools are neighborhood schools, but HiPointDem May 2012 #25
schools aren't closing because of charters. There are many, many factors behind closing schools bigtree May 2012 #30
Public schools are closing because the PTB want them to close. Charter schools are opening HiPointDem May 2012 #32
Most, if not all, of the extra money the admin put into ed has been used to coerce states and HiPointDem May 2012 #13
'all the extra money?' That's not what I see in the budget. bigtree May 2012 #17
A large part of it went to RTTT, which went to coerce states and districts as I said. HiPointDem May 2012 #18
i see it the same way as you do HiPointDem. iemitsu May 2012 #20
you haven't proven that the discretionary spending is to 'coerce' states bigtree May 2012 #21
I don't have to "prove" it, it's right there in the requirements to get the money. HiPointDem May 2012 #26
those are incentives which are in addition to other increases in funding bigtree May 2012 #27
Not in RTTT they're not. Regardless of how much money comes from the feds, the impetus for HiPointDem May 2012 #28
I know enough bigtree May 2012 #29
"Handful"? There were over 5600 charter schools in the US 2 years ago, with more than 2 million HiPointDem May 2012 #31
compared to the amount of public schools, it's a pittance bigtree May 2012 #33
It was 5% in 2009, and getting bigger every year. Not to mention on-line schooling & vouchers, + HiPointDem May 2012 #34
I though we were assuming that we're both sincere in this discussion. I guess not. bigtree May 2012 #35
Bingo. 99Forever May 2012 #3
He came for nothing, and he left with what he came for. madashelltoo May 2012 #4
You mentioned Charter Schools goclark May 2012 #10
Thanks. Scurrilous May 2012 #7
It's hard work, pretending you give a rats ass annabanana May 2012 #11
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