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In reply to the discussion: I am not religious. Can you please categorize Atheism into a "race"? [View all]LostOne4Ever
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[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]I said you are not god because, you, were telling me, an implicit atheist, what I think.
No where have I done that to you or anyone else. So your "You're not god, either!" is nothing more than an ad hominem. Nor have I claimed to be an atheist pope (again with your OFFENSIVE attempts to connect religion to atheism.) Your strawman aside, you in fact have no clue what I believe and I would greatly appreciate it if you would quit trying to act like a god who does.
The Sunday assembly is just the Sunday Assembly. They represent no one but the Sunday Assembly and if they meet the criteria of a religion then that makes the Sunday Assembly a religion, not atheism. There are other examples of atheist religions as well. There are, for example, non-theistic buddhists. That said, what I know of the Sunday Assembly does not seem to meet the criteria of a religion.
Regardless, that is a spotlight fallacy, a relativist fallacy, and a guilt by association fallacy all rolled into one.
To demand to declare that all atheism a religion or state that we have a belief because of that is the same as saying that because some humans belong to the church of Satan all humans must be Satanist. It is, absurd to the point of being sophism.
I have many beliefs, just not one on the existence of gods. See, I know it is hard for someone as emotionally invested as you are in this to understand, but that is all atheism is....not having a belief in the existence of god. You even said agnostics are "sitting pretty" apparently not knowing that what you described as agnostics also describes implicit atheists. You contradict yourself.
And it is not that way because I Lost, said so. It is that way because that is the definition of the word. It is the definition of the word in the Oxford English dictionary (considered world wide the definitive dictionary of the English Language), it is the definition of the word used by American Atheists and the Freedom From Religion Foundation, the two biggest atheist activist organizations in the English speaking world, and multiple encyclopedias, and by millions of atheists worldwide.
But YOU expect all of that to stop and bend backward BECAUSE YOU say so. Sorry, again you are not god. It is you whose words hold sway with you and you alone. I base my claims upon the history behind the word, multiple respected and authoritative sources and millions of other atheists. You are basing yours on your own opinion and an article about a social group who you think you know what they think. Sorry, you are not a god.
This sums up your argument:
Golf isn't baseball and atheism isn't a religion or belief.
You are right about one thing, there are no rules to atheism. That is what makes you and your fallacious argument wrong...because if it was a religion there would be rules. What I have repeated is not a docterine, it is a definition. All words have definitions and they are not based upon what you want them to be
You handwave the "old school" stuff away because it proves you wrong, and you can't stand the fact that you have NOTHING to stand on but your own opinion. Further, you have no clue what the next generation of young atheists think. I am a millennial atheist, I am a part of those young adults you are trying to speak for, and as one of that said group let me tell you that you have no place speaking for us anymore than me or anyone else.
Besides, what docterine of what old and dead atheists are you speaking of? Robert Ingersoll? The great AGNOSTIC? Wait, didn't you say agnostics were sitting pretty? Clarence Darrow? What docterines did he set down?
No what you mean, is to tell us to quit correcting you on your RIGHT WING slurs and mis-information used against atheists. Some of which could be taken straight from the conservapedia as was shown above. Sorry not going to happen.
Further, I don't give two shits about the Sunday Assembly. If they are successful, power to them. Atheism is still neither a belief nor a religion. If they are not successful, atheism is still neither a belief nor a religion.
You don't know what we think, what we believe, what is or is not the future of atheism.
You are not a god, and you need to get over yourself and your ego and quit telling us what we do or do not believe and think. You do not have that Privilege though you obviously think so.
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