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In reply to the discussion: I am not religious. Can you please categorize Atheism into a "race"? [View all]LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]That fact that you link that just proves it.
No one here is saying that a person can not be both an atheist and also religious.
What we are telling you, and you refuse to freaking listen to, is that Atheism is not a religion.
One can be a chess player and also have religion. But that doesn't make chess a religion.
But you refuse to even attempt to understand that. Because YOU ARE INCAPABLE of LISTENING TO OTHER PEOPLE. EVEN WHEN THOSE PEOPLE ARE MEMBERS OF THE VERY GROUP YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF ADMITTING YOU WERE WRONG.
Your Links are about atheists who happen to be religious. NOT ONE FREAKING WORD from either Einstein nor Dworkin say atheism is a religion, or even indirectly implies it.
Here is what Eisenstein (a PANTHEIST and not an atheist so I don't see why his views on atheism matter) said from the source in your article:[/font]
http://www.amazon.com/Living-Philosophies-Albert-Einstein/dp/0404591280
I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purpose are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble soouls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism. It is enough for me to contemplate the mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through all eternity, to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe which we can dimly perceive, and to try humbly to comprehend even an infinitesimal part of the intelligence manifested in nature.
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]He specifically said that standing in awe of realizition that what can not be seen by human faculties is real is the one aspect of what is considered religion to which he adheres. That is NOT saying that atheism is religion.
Now onto Dworkinson, his entire piece is about RELIGION WITHOUT GOD. It is not a book about atheism being a religion, and no where does he make that claim. What he is talking about are religious people who are atheists. For crying out loud.
He even has to use the word religious with the word atheism specifically because they are unrelated to each other. He even acknowledges nonreligious atheists and naturalists exist:[/font]
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]No where in the Dworkin article you provided me, and no where in the Eistien blurb does it say in any form or fashion atheism is a religion. Once again, you are making stuff up and hope we don't look into it further. Or did you not even bother to read and just bolded some random stuff that you thought supported you?
Either way, it is you resort to applying beliefs to me that I don't have.[/font]
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Here for instance. I don't have doctrine or dogma. Because I don't have religion. [/font]
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]"To you." Well guess what? "To you" doesn't matter. That not the definition of the word by any standard. Not a one. Yet by all the AUTHORITATIVE SOURCES i have given you, and by the THOUSANDS of members of the Sunday Assembly you brought up, they are not in any sense a religion.
This is not because Lost said so, it not because you said. IT IS BECAUSE THEY SAY SO! IT IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD! You are not the boss of them, nor are you a member, and they laid it out in their official website just so that people like you would read it and see it.
Get it through your head. YOU ARE NOT GOD!!!
I want to think you are still going at this because you really can't understand how atheism is not a religion and yet there can be religious people who are also atheists...but I suspect that is not the case. I suspect you honestly know you are wrong and just arguing because you think this is a contest.
It is not.
You are not a god and you have nothing. [/font]