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In reply to the discussion: I am not religious. Can you please categorize Atheism into a "race"? [View all]LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Quote where they say atheism is a religion. I DARE YOU. But again, you won't do it because they don't.
Here you can read the Einstein quote in its entirety:
http://www.amazon.com/Living-Philosophies-Albert-Einstein/dp/0404591280
As for:
http://alaindebotton.com/religion/
The blurb doesn't say atheism is a religion either. It talks about religion for atheists. Cause, you know, they wouldn't have to say anything about atheists if atheism was a religion. They would say the religion of atheism....they don't.
And lets be clear, you are the one who has been throwing insults at me, as well as ascribing to me believes and position I do not have, I just keep on pointing out that you are not god. Cause you are not, although you keep on trying to tell me what I think.
In fact here is the first insult of our conversation...and it is from YOU:[/font]
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7392578
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]And you have hurled them at me numerous times in this debate.
I made my case fine. From post one my logic has been flawless and you haven't been able to refute a single thing I said. That is why you keep handwaving it away. The post of yours that started this debate is still a burden of proof fallacy. Anyone can look it up and see that it is a text book case.
No this is not about AA. Nor is it about any group at DU. Nor is it about a perceived paradigm shift.
This is a debate where you wanted to preach about the ascendancy of the Sunday Assembly (who are not a religion) and I simply want to make it clear atheism is not a religion and point out a single fallacy you made.
You keep on harping about atheists who (you think) are religious (and there are some atheists who are religious...just not the Sunday Assembly) and I keep on pointing out that nothing you mention makes atheism a religion.
But you don't even make an attempt to understand what we are saying.
So maybe if I make it as simple as possible.[/font]
Disbelief- Mental state of not holding something to be true.
Contrary belief-Mental state of holding the opposite view to be true
One who holds a contrabelief obviously disbelieves, but disbelief does not imply contrabelief.
For instance:
Contrary belief-If I believe that Jack is heading south then I both disbelieve and have the contrary belief to the claim that he is heading north.
Disbelief without having the contrary belief- If I believe that James is heading east then I disbelieve that he is heading north. I don't think it is true. However, just because I disbelieve that he is heading north does not mean I hold the contrabelief of him heading south to be true either.
Theist-Believes in at least one god
Atheist-disbelieves in god(s)/ Does not believe in gods/lacks belief in gods (same thing stated three different ways)
Implicit atheist/agnostic-Neither believes in god nor do they believe there is no god.
Explicit atheist-Believes there are no gods. Since they believe there are no gods, they obviously don't believe in gods either.
The explicit atheist holds the contrary belief to the theist. The implicit atheist holds no belief.
Religion-1The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. 2 A particular system of faith and worship. 3 A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Under none of the above is atheism a religion. Under none of the above is atheism a belief. One can believe there are no gods and still be an atheist. One can niether believe there are no gods and also not believe there are gods and still be an atheist. One can have no religion and still be an atheist. One can have a religion and still be an atheist.
The only thing that is important to the definition is that one not believe/"hold to be true" that there are gods.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT MOVEMENT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, What I do care about is people trying to redefine or give out misinformation about a group I am a part of us.
Further, I am not telling you want to do or think. In fact, you are doing that to me. I, unlike you, am an atheist. So when you say atheism is a religion you are saying I have dogma and doctrine and all the other shit that goes with religion. You are telling me what I think.
I am correcting you. Nothing more.
Atheism is not a religion by definition. And please, no more about these paradigm shifts because I DON'T CARE about them either way. I am only interesting in keeping people from giving out misinfo about a group to which I belong.
ONE LAST TIME:
I am NOT saying there are no atheistic religions.
I am NOT saying there are no religious atheists
I am NOT saying that there are not atheists who have beliefs
What I am saying is that atheism, in its entirety, and unto itself solely, is not a religion or belief.
AND I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT THE SUNDAY ASSEMBLY (though they aren't a relgion either, they say so themselves on their website).
No where did I tell you or anyone else what to think. No where did I say you can't be a part of a religion and be an atheist.
ALL I SAID IS THAT ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION.[/font]