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In reply to the discussion: I no longer give two f*cks about your 2nd Amendment rights. [View all]Orrex
(63,216 posts)142. Why bother with laws at all, if criminals will ignore them?
Your proposals sure as hell won't do anything to stop suicides or criminals either.
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Claiming owning a gun is about "freedom" is like claiming owning an SUV is about "freedom".
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2015
#1
It's like the study where congress believes their districts are more conservative than they are.
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2015
#163
These people feel the same way about cheap gas. It's their god given right.
bettyellen
Dec 2015
#135
Lately they believe it's their god given right to kill if they're scared.
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2015
#167
Well, it is in Florida these days. I thought it was in South Africa too, but apparently a panel of
bettyellen
Dec 2015
#172
I have never in my life been an advocate for mass confiscation but...................
leftofcool
Dec 2015
#2
thank you. I think that is common sense. Also facts, which as we all know, are stubborn things...
CTyankee
Dec 2015
#291
I don't think we really do. I think the availability of guns is the problem...if the gun is there
CTyankee
Dec 2015
#393
look at their population and their gun laws...I've been thru this discussion on DU before.
CTyankee
Dec 2015
#404
The fact is that gun owning citizens outnumber the law enforcement community.
passiveporcupine
Dec 2015
#330
If somehow people lose their hunting rifles in all this (which I don't think will happen)
AllyCat
Dec 2015
#10
Exactly, but it is really the Heller decision that all these morons are hiding behind
Squinch
Dec 2015
#173
Well, right now we seeing the MSM engage in quite a bit of speculation
nadinbrzezinski
Dec 2015
#225
One of the reasons a lot of people don't care for the no fly list is when it was revealed that
Waldorf
Dec 2015
#318
So your "evidence" is the opinion of a guy from 250 years ago - a guy who refused to
Squinch
Dec 2015
#198
State and National Guards didn't exist when the 2nd Amendment was ratified.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2015
#223
Post 129 is factually wrong on a number of points. For instance, we have a national guard and a
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2015
#199
Yeah, I get the feeling I'm talking to a wall, but hope springs eternal.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2015
#248
You are actually the third person I have seen using almost the same wording to make the
Squinch
Dec 2015
#170
I understand that those who are defending the idea that their hobby is worth a weekly
Squinch
Dec 2015
#351
No, it doesn't. "the People" is the entire population, not individuals. "The People" have a...
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2015
#206
The right is given to "the People" as a whole. It is manifest in our National Guard. Some day,
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2015
#214
I Find It Interesting That Our 'Well-Regulated Militia' Hasn't Been Able To Stop These Mass....
global1
Dec 2015
#21
Agree, seems all these 'militia' groups are full of paranoid stormfront types that hate Obama
Rex
Dec 2015
#25
victims of gun violence do not lose moral authority by using wrong language
sanatanadharma
Dec 2015
#35
Militas, not individuals. If they want to form a rifle club there is no law against it.
Rex
Dec 2015
#13
Sorry - I must have missed it. When exactly did we solve the problem of tyranny and
jonno99
Dec 2015
#48
And how long ago was that and why is the wording of the 2A relevant to that time period?
Rex
Dec 2015
#52
You're missing the point - it is BECAUSE of tyranny and lawlessness (they feared NOT being free) -
jonno99
Dec 2015
#93
I didn't "miss the point" - I simply disagreed with you. Did you purposely miss my point?
jonno99
Dec 2015
#100
No, the 1A is not a lie. But don't you find it curious that an amendment concerning ONLY the
jonno99
Dec 2015
#110
I agree that the founders were good with wording. I would argue too that they were good with
jonno99
Dec 2015
#139
Sure - but by "living" what you mean is amendable. Nobody argues that. And whatever the personal
jonno99
Dec 2015
#376
The 2nd Amendment applies to members of a well-regulated militia, no more, no less.
Nitram
Dec 2015
#27
Yet groups like the NRA have fooled everyone into believing it is 'individual rights'.
Rex
Dec 2015
#33
It was only relatively recently the NRA started pushing for a re-interpreation of the amendment.
Nitram
Dec 2015
#125
I've read plenty of history, thanks. Your's is a distinctly minority view...
Eleanors38
Dec 2015
#386
I'm not sure being in the minority means I'm wrong. These things are re-evaluated and...
Nitram
Dec 2015
#388
That was 2013. There isn't a platform yet for 2016 because the nominee has to participate.
Nitram
Dec 2015
#146
I agree. The "right" to own gunz is about as immoral as the "right" to own slaves was.
Hoyt
Dec 2015
#43
It is the right to own guns to form a well regulated militia, shall not be infringed upon.
Rex
Dec 2015
#46
It was also about the worry of homegrown tyranny or the British coming back to kick our butts.
Rex
Dec 2015
#68
Oh really? Then why did the non-slave states like Vermont include their own version of the 2nd?
X_Digger
Dec 2015
#340
Without a strong central government, such clauses enabled the colonies...
Pacifist Patriot
Dec 2015
#360
But if the federal 2nd was only a 'gimme' to slave states, why enact the same in their own states?
X_Digger
Dec 2015
#412
I agree completely. Gunners can't read and use some idiotic grammatical construction
Hoyt
Dec 2015
#66
Well, you're saying two directly opposite things. If owning a gun is immoral then it can't be
jonno99
Dec 2015
#151
What do you mean by "little kitty". Just need that before I decide whether or not to alert. nt
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2015
#240
Even with the terrorist attack killing over 100 people, France has a far, far lower...
Nitram
Dec 2015
#359
Even if you take suicides out of the equation, the US is still way ahead on gun deaths...
Nitram
Dec 2015
#382
2nd Amendment was created by guys who were fine with blacks counting as 3/5ths of a person
TeamPooka
Dec 2015
#56
I've seen spittle fly from the mouth of an enraged gun lover over the literal meaning.
Rex
Dec 2015
#73
Totally agree! Yahoos who think they are 'the Militia' as identified in the constitution
jmg257
Dec 2015
#90
The constitution actually gives the President ultimate control over state militias.
Nitram
Dec 2015
#149
For years I have been saying that travesty of an amendment has made it...
Pacifist Patriot
Dec 2015
#84
Interesting. I'm reminded of Franklin's rejoinder to a question posed outside the CC:
jonno99
Dec 2015
#123
I'm of the opinion this will change when we are finally able to get rid of "mean people" -
jonno99
Dec 2015
#145
Sure - as long as those are the only weapons that exist anywhere. Otherwise, no thanks...nt
jonno99
Dec 2015
#128
"...doesn't take into account technology advances of the last 240 years." Like the Internet?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2015
#216
There was a 20 shot semi-automatic musket capable of killing a deer at the time.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2015
#262
Both amendments assume responsible "self-governance". With that failing, all bets are off.
jonno99
Dec 2015
#144
Especially if we have to sleep with one eye open due to gunners trying to grab control.
Hoyt
Dec 2015
#158
Preach on! The cult of the American gun is as outdated and irrelevant as Sharia law.
Raster
Dec 2015
#181
I ran out of fucks to give when the children in Sandy Hook were gunned down. n/t
me b zola
Dec 2015
#194
Kpete, you and your source can work for repeal of the Second. If you give a "fuck."
Eleanors38
Dec 2015
#233
I have nothing against fire arm owners, I am talking about misunderstanding the 2A.
Rex
Dec 2015
#243
The misunderstanding is on your part. The Individual RKBA is the Standard Model..
Eleanors38
Dec 2015
#263
No matter how many times you tell people that your interpretation of the 2A is the correct one,
Francis Booth
Dec 2015
#289
A literal interpretation is closer to what America had in it's early years...
De Leonist
Dec 2015
#288
Since our Conservo 'friends' always harp on 'original intent'- let them have all the black powder
JCMach1
Dec 2015
#298
Same here. Yesterday I suggested someone could put their "right" and their guns where
CBGLuthier
Dec 2015
#341