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In reply to the discussion: Yes, the CIA Director Was Part of the JFK Assassination Cover-Up [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)113. The Warrant Report
Thank you, PCIntern. Right back at you.
From someone much smarter and better educated than I can ever be, thanks to birth and probation:
The Warrant Report
Tim Madigan on the philosophers who investigated the Kennedy assassination.
EXCERPT...
It is a remarkable fact that three of the earliest and most influential critics of the Warren Report were professional philosophers Bertrand Russell, Richard Popkin and Josiah Thompson. Russell, who was 91 years old at the time of the shooting, was one of the first prominent individuals to raise serious questions about the report, even before it was completed. In early 1964 he helped organize the Who Killed Kennedy Committee, and befriended attorney Mark Lane, author of the first major critique of the Warren Report, Rush to Judgment. Writing from his home in Wales and guided by Lanes investigations, Russell issued his Sixteen Questions on the Assassination a few weeks before the Report came out. Raising doubts about the impartiality, credibility and competency of the Commission, he pointed out that all of its members who were appointed directly by President Lyndon Johnson were deeply connected with the Washington establishment, especially its secretive investigative agencies, the CIA and the FBI. Some of the Commission could be suspected of having a vested interest in covering up uncomfortable facts about their own strained relations with the late president. For instance, Commission member Allen Dulles, former head of the CIA, had been fired by Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961. Not a single Commissioner, Russell asserted, would have been accepted as an impartial member of a jury if Oswald had been tried (a moot point after Oswalds own murder by Jack Ruby a few days after the JFK shooting). Russell also raised questions about the fact that several people in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination had claimed to hear bullets being fired from in front of the President. Such claims were dismissed by the Commissioners, who seemed dedicated to proving that all bullets had been fired solely by Oswald, from behind the presidential motorcade. While accepting the well-known point that witness testimony is often unreliable, Russell nonetheless expressed his worries that the Commissioners were so eager to prove Oswald was the lone gunman that they ignored evidence contradicting this. Most of all, Russell asked why the Reports conclusion was known well before the investigation was completed. This seemed to go against all the proper methods of truth-gathering and rules of logic, and looked more like an attempt to make the premises fit the conclusion rather than having the conclusion follow from the premises.
Shortly after the Warren Report was issued, Richard Popkin, then a Professor of Philosophy at the University of California at San Diego, wrote a highly influential article for the New York Review of Books entitled The Second Oswald: The Case for a Conspiracy Theory (later expanded into a book). Popkin argued that if one used just the Warren Report as evidence, then one must necessarily conclude that there had to have been at least two Lee Harvey Oswalds for all the various details of the Report to make sense. The governments own case for a lone gunman contradicted itself.
Popkin admitted that reading all 26 volumes of the report was a daunting task especially as at the time there was no index for the work but it was a labour he was up to. Popkin was noted for his encyclopedic memory, his ability to put together disparate facts (as witnessed by his investigative work in the history of ideas, which detailed previously unknown connections between various Sixteenth Century theologians and philosophers) and his dogged pursuit of problems. Popkin, a student of Skepticism, basically cast a skeptical eye on the purported solid evidence offered by the Warren Commission to prove that there was no conspiracy. If there was more than one Lee Harvey Oswald who was at more than one place simultaneously, or more than one person purporting to be Oswald, then there had to be a conspiracy. Thus, the Warren Report proved the very opposite of its own conclusion.
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Here lies the continuing epistemological nightmare of the Kennedy shooting. Will we ever know what actually happened that day? There have recently been Warren Report defenders such as Gerald Posner (Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK, 1994) and Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor of the Manson family, who just published Reclaiming History: the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (2007), a 1,632 page book in which Bugliosi painstakingly attempts to answer every criticism of the Report. But there remains something deeply unsatisfactory about the Report. Whether because of the shoddy nature of the Commissions investigations, the uncertainties and contradictions of the eyewitness interviews, the ulterior motives of the Commissioners and their aides, or other more controversial reasons, the very public murder of President Kennedy continues to nag at our collective consciousness. The trail grows colder, but questions remain questions initially raised by three devoted professional truth seekers.
SOURCE: https://philosophynow.org/issues/66/The_Warrant_Report
Now, that's the logical -- the philosophical -- perspective.
What Corporate Owned News doesn't bring up is the information that Allen Dulles withheld from the Warren Commission, specifically the Mafia-CIA plots to assassinate Castro. That will make it easier for National Archives to continue holding essential documents that have bearing on the case.
Going from what we've learned since 1963 and the Warren Report in 1964, Dulles and CIA actions have more than a potential bearing on the case. They also are proof of obstruction of justice.
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I read Specter's request as an admission of a coverup of the actual facts.
arthritisR_US
Dec 2015
#46
Next up .... chemtrails, mind control via vaccine, the pope piloted the 9/11 planes n/t
etherealtruth
Dec 2015
#56
So, evidence -- including what the Director of CIA did -- for conspiracy is to be hidden.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#80
Otca, where is the proof? This would be WORLD WIDE NEWS if it was proved. It is like all the....
Logical
Dec 2015
#86
I was 15 and nothing added up. I became suspicious with LBJ reading a few cold words in near nursery
Zen Democrat
Dec 2015
#128
Once no one is around who remembers, CIABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutworks can tell the tale.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#24
"The heart grows stronger by facing the evils of the world." -- Ludwig van Beethoven (Fidelio)
Octafish
Dec 2015
#57
Why Mr. Slawson is a hero -- even if he thinks Lee Harvey Oswald is the lone assassin.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#69
Wish that was taught in school, printed in the paper and broadcast on tee vee.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#70
Where and Why is JFK's brain missingj after it was in government hands?
Ichingcarpenter
Dec 2015
#44
JFK's doctor -- Admiral George Burkley -- thought more than one shooter was involved.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#71
C-SPAN has an excellent program discussing Lee Harvey Oswald, CIA and Mexico City
Octafish
Dec 2015
#145
If that were true, you wouldn't spend so much time trying to stop its discussion.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#102
The humor is that we are still discussing who did it when we know who did it. nt
Logical
Dec 2015
#105
FFS, you are gullible! How many murderers say "I didn't do it"??????? You have to be....
Logical
Dec 2015
#116
K & R and a million thanks, not only for the OP, but for the entire thread
mountain grammy
Dec 2015
#93
I'm adding this December 11, 2003 thread to this discussion, if it isn't already linked upthread
bobthedrummer
Dec 2015
#94
Here's an excellent thread from Bolo Boffin proving Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin:
cpwm17
Dec 2015
#106
I guess, then, the CIA and FBI would be part of a let-it-happen-on-purpose conspiracy. n/t
cpwm17
Dec 2015
#123
Vincent Bugliosi doesn't consider the Chicago Plot when talking about Oswald.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#112
You are most welcome, G_j! Politico seems to be bolstering Shenon's Dallas expertise.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#130
Movie please LOL but seriously, I never believed the official story...this is fascinating
randys1
Dec 2015
#126
It's amazing how so many people implicitly trust the government and think they are
smirkymonkey
Dec 2015
#138
Both McCone and Dulles hid CIA-Mafia assassination plots from Warren Commission and America
Octafish
Dec 2015
#139
Both McCone and Dulles hid monitoring of Oswald in New Orleans from Warren Commission and America...
Octafish
Dec 2015
#148
Excellent points. But if Oswald did it, why does secret government continue to cover-up?
Octafish
Dec 2015
#144