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Octafish

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113. The Warrant Report
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:49 PM
Dec 2015

Thank you, PCIntern. Right back at you.

From someone much smarter and better educated than I can ever be, thanks to birth and probation:



The Warrant Report

Tim Madigan on the philosophers who investigated the Kennedy assassination.

EXCERPT...

It is a remarkable fact that three of the earliest and most influential critics of the Warren Report were professional philosophers – Bertrand Russell, Richard Popkin and Josiah Thompson. Russell, who was 91 years old at the time of the shooting, was one of the first prominent individuals to raise serious questions about the report, even before it was completed. In early 1964 he helped organize the ‘Who Killed Kennedy Committee’, and befriended attorney Mark Lane, author of the first major critique of the Warren Report, Rush to Judgment. Writing from his home in Wales and guided by Lane’s investigations, Russell issued his ‘Sixteen Questions on the Assassination’ a few weeks before the Report came out. Raising doubts about the impartiality, credibility and competency of the Commission, he pointed out that all of its members – who were appointed directly by President Lyndon Johnson – were deeply connected with the Washington establishment, especially its secretive investigative agencies, the CIA and the FBI. Some of the Commission could be suspected of having a vested interest in covering up uncomfortable facts about their own strained relations with the late president. For instance, Commission member Allen Dulles, former head of the CIA, had been fired by Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961. Not a single Commissioner, Russell asserted, would have been accepted as an impartial member of a jury if Oswald had been tried (a moot point after Oswald’s own murder by Jack Ruby a few days after the JFK shooting). Russell also raised questions about the fact that several people in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination had claimed to hear bullets being fired from in front of the President. Such claims were dismissed by the Commissioners, who seemed dedicated to proving that all bullets had been fired solely by Oswald, from behind the presidential motorcade. While accepting the well-known point that witness testimony is often unreliable, Russell nonetheless expressed his worries that the Commissioners were so eager to prove Oswald was the lone gunman that they ignored evidence contradicting this. Most of all, Russell asked why the Report’s conclusion was known well before the investigation was completed. This seemed to go against all the proper methods of truth-gathering and rules of logic, and looked more like an attempt to make the premises fit the conclusion rather than having the conclusion follow from the premises.

Shortly after the Warren Report was issued, Richard Popkin, then a Professor of Philosophy at the University of California at San Diego, wrote a highly influential article for the New York Review of Books entitled ‘The Second Oswald: The Case for a Conspiracy Theory’ (later expanded into a book). Popkin argued that if one used just the Warren Report as evidence, then one must necessarily conclude that there had to have been at least two Lee Harvey Oswalds for all the various details of the Report to make sense. The government’s own case for a lone gunman contradicted itself.

Popkin admitted that reading all 26 volumes of the report was a daunting task – especially as at the time there was no index for the work – but it was a labour he was up to. Popkin was noted for his encyclopedic memory, his ability to put together disparate facts (as witnessed by his investigative work in the history of ideas, which detailed previously unknown connections between various Sixteenth Century theologians and philosophers) and his dogged pursuit of problems. Popkin, a student of Skepticism, basically cast a skeptical eye on the purported solid evidence offered by the Warren Commission to prove that there was no conspiracy. If there was more than one ‘Lee Harvey Oswald’ who was at more than one place simultaneously, or more than one person purporting to be Oswald, then there had to be a conspiracy. Thus, the Warren Report proved the very opposite of its own conclusion.

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Here lies the continuing epistemological nightmare of the Kennedy shooting. Will we ever know what actually happened that day? There have recently been Warren Report defenders such as Gerald Posner (Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK, 1994) and Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor of the Manson family, who just published Reclaiming History: the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (2007), a 1,632 page book in which Bugliosi painstakingly attempts to answer every criticism of the Report. But there remains something deeply unsatisfactory about the Report. Whether because of the shoddy nature of the Commission’s investigations, the uncertainties and contradictions of the eyewitness interviews, the ulterior motives of the Commissioners and their aides, or other more controversial reasons, the very public murder of President Kennedy continues to nag at our collective consciousness. The trail grows colder, but questions remain – questions initially raised by three devoted professional truth seekers.

SOURCE: https://philosophynow.org/issues/66/The_Warrant_Report



Now, that's the logical -- the philosophical -- perspective.

What Corporate Owned News doesn't bring up is the information that Allen Dulles withheld from the Warren Commission, specifically the Mafia-CIA plots to assassinate Castro. That will make it easier for National Archives to continue holding essential documents that have bearing on the case.

Going from what we've learned since 1963 and the Warren Report in 1964, Dulles and CIA actions have more than a potential bearing on the case. They also are proof of obstruction of justice.
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2015 #1
You are most welcome, H2O Man! Octafish Dec 2015 #2
I like to remember H2O Man Dec 2015 #4
Great memory, yours. Octafish Dec 2015 #8
Wow, your link at the bottom of post (tag line?) is truly arthritisR_US Dec 2015 #31
Vincent Salandria was on the case, starting Nov. 22, 1963. Octafish Dec 2015 #35
I read Specter's request as an admission of a coverup of the actual facts. arthritisR_US Dec 2015 #46
You are most welcome, arthritisR_US! Octafish Dec 2015 #52
Another rec. Don't stop doing this Octafish. panader0 Dec 2015 #3
Thank you, panader0! Octafish Dec 2015 #5
There's a forum for this edhopper Dec 2015 #6
Please, show what's speculation. Octafish Dec 2015 #7
pleas discuss edhopper Dec 2015 #9
So, you can't show what's speculation. Octafish Dec 2015 #10
okay then edhopper Dec 2015 #12
Funny. I never thought I needed your permission. Octafish Dec 2015 #16
Didn't intend it that way. edhopper Dec 2015 #17
+1000 & k&r nationalize the fed Dec 2015 #41
Duppy Conqueror Octafish Dec 2015 #127
The OP is not H2O Man Dec 2015 #14
That's why we have forums for this edhopper Dec 2015 #15
DU:GD H2O Man Dec 2015 #20
same to you. edhopper Dec 2015 #22
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2015 #23
I love some of the non political discussions edhopper Dec 2015 #25
The title of the OP. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #11
What's wrong with it? Octafish Dec 2015 #13
Actually no the title reflects the context. Rex Dec 2015 #19
Please SHOW absolute proof. It is all shit rehashed for 50 years. nt Logical Dec 2015 #81
You call me obsessed, yet all you got is ad hominem. Octafish Dec 2015 #96
There is a forum for this. And it is not GD. nt Logical Dec 2015 #97
Some posters are exempt from Forum SOPs...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #50
Next up .... chemtrails, mind control via vaccine, the pope piloted the 9/11 planes n/t etherealtruth Dec 2015 #56
Ad hominem shows all you know is smear. Octafish Dec 2015 #73
Truly... some really are... nt villager Dec 2015 #76
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #62
I would disagree that it is edhopper Dec 2015 #72
So what, exactly, do you find wrong with the OP? Octafish Dec 2015 #75
The topic is edhopper Dec 2015 #79
So, evidence -- including what the Director of CIA did -- for conspiracy is to be hidden. Octafish Dec 2015 #80
look edhopper Dec 2015 #84
He loves the CS shit. An obsession. nt Logical Dec 2015 #82
Speaking of obsessed... Octafish Dec 2015 #85
Otca, where is the proof? This would be WORLD WIDE NEWS if it was proved. It is like all the.... Logical Dec 2015 #86
I didn't ask you to prove anything - just to support your contentions. Octafish Dec 2015 #92
The burden of proof is on the person making a nutty claim. nt Logical Dec 2015 #95
So, it should be easy for you. Yet, you don't. That's telling. Octafish Dec 2015 #98
For god sake, then why isn't the fact the CIA killed Kennedy on the.... Logical Dec 2015 #99
Nice disinformation. Where did you get the CIA killed Kennedy? Octafish Dec 2015 #100
I was 15 and nothing added up. I became suspicious with LBJ reading a few cold words in near nursery Zen Democrat Dec 2015 #128
Here's video that shows Secret Service ordered off JFK's limousine. Octafish Dec 2015 #140
thank you, edhopper! librechik Dec 2015 #115
Your welcome edhopper Dec 2015 #118
The CIA sits on its secrets hoping enough time will pass Rex Dec 2015 #18
I agree H2O Man Dec 2015 #21
Once no one is around who remembers, CIABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutworks can tell the tale. Octafish Dec 2015 #24
I feel like crying. I wonder if we can ever change this world jwirr Dec 2015 #26
That feeling of powerlessness... Octafish Dec 2015 #27
Once again thank you. I really do understand this and try jwirr Dec 2015 #28
Beethoven. Octafish Dec 2015 #37
I had no idea that is where he got this. That is totally inspiring. jwirr Dec 2015 #40
The guy was a Democrat before there was a Party. Octafish Dec 2015 #55
Good way to start the morning. We are part of a very long jwirr Dec 2015 #58
Amazing. nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #47
"The heart grows stronger by facing the evils of the world." -- Ludwig van Beethoven (Fidelio) Octafish Dec 2015 #57
This IS inspiring. SalviaBlue Dec 2015 #119
Am I the only one that was not involved in the JFK assassination plot? cpwm17 Dec 2015 #29
Were you director of the CIA? Octafish Dec 2015 #32
This shit is just like 9/11 truthers. So old and so wrong. nt Logical Dec 2015 #64
No, I'm not involved either treestar Dec 2015 #68
I'm your age, but I don't remember the 1960's cpwm17 Dec 2015 #88
Nixon is the first one I remember too treestar Dec 2015 #89
Unti the CIA papers are Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #30
Agree completely. Octafish Dec 2015 #42
The Russians have more info than the Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #45
Sad to say I wrote this on DU in 2005... Octafish Dec 2015 #54
Boyhood Bud did Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #63
KickandRecommend!! elias49 Dec 2015 #33
What the Warren Commission Didn’t Know Octafish Dec 2015 #60
K&R #20 bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #34
Thank you for keeping that most important history alive. Octafish Dec 2015 #61
Octakick. . . . . n/t annabanana Dec 2015 #36
Coming from you, that means a lot... Octafish Dec 2015 #66
lol - you crack me up . . .n/t annabanana Dec 2015 #87
I'm not sure rsexaminer Dec 2015 #38
POLITICO as the fountainhead for this story is interesting, too. Octafish Dec 2015 #67
K&R Important stuff. JEB Dec 2015 #39
Why Mr. Slawson is a hero -- even if he thinks Lee Harvey Oswald is the lone assassin. Octafish Dec 2015 #69
Yes, Bush 41 was CIA at the time, and yes, he was in Dallas. KamaAina Dec 2015 #43
Wish that was taught in school, printed in the paper and broadcast on tee vee. Octafish Dec 2015 #70
The smoking gun! KamaAina Dec 2015 #74
It really bothers some people when it gets mentioned. Octafish Dec 2015 #141
Well, what does he care? He's Canadian. KamaAina Dec 2015 #143
Where and Why is JFK's brain missingj after it was in government hands? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #44
JFK's doctor -- Admiral George Burkley -- thought more than one shooter was involved. Octafish Dec 2015 #71
Three levels of information Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #133
C-SPAN has an excellent program discussing Lee Harvey Oswald, CIA and Mexico City Octafish Dec 2015 #145
K&R nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #48
The Disinformation Continues to the Present Day Octafish Dec 2015 #77
Kickin' the Sat mornin' history lesson. CanSocDem Dec 2015 #49
Lots more to learn. For instance, FBI and CIA continue to obstruct Justice. Octafish Dec 2015 #83
Thank You For Sharing These Truths cantbeserious Dec 2015 #51
You are most welcome, cantbeserious! Octafish Dec 2015 #90
Thanks Octafish. Your posts are important to me! haikugal Dec 2015 #53
Here's a truly important source of information: ABRAHAM BOLDEN. Octafish Dec 2015 #101
Oswald acted alone. Sometimes people get lucky! You love CS shit. nt Logical Dec 2015 #59
If that were true, you wouldn't spend so much time trying to stop its discussion. Octafish Dec 2015 #102
The ONE ARMED MAN Did it!!!!!! nt Logical Dec 2015 #65
What is your problem? Octafish Dec 2015 #103
The humor is that we are still discussing who did it when we know who did it. nt Logical Dec 2015 #105
No, we don't know ''who did it.'' Octafish Dec 2015 #114
FFS, you are gullible! How many murderers say "I didn't do it"??????? You have to be.... Logical Dec 2015 #116
Who's ''gullible,'' really? Octafish Dec 2015 #121
You also need to investigate this also...... Logical Dec 2015 #124
George deMohrenschildt knew both Lee Harvey Oswald and George H.W. Bush. Octafish Dec 2015 #125
Excellent...KNR Hepburn Dec 2015 #78
Allen Dulles in WC secret session said that was to be expected. Octafish Dec 2015 #104
K & R AzDar Dec 2015 #91
Thanks, AzDar! You know how different this world would be... Octafish Dec 2015 #107
K & R and a million thanks, not only for the OP, but for the entire thread mountain grammy Dec 2015 #93
Thank you for sharing that amazing and important history, mountain grammy. Octafish Dec 2015 #108
I'm adding this December 11, 2003 thread to this discussion, if it isn't already linked upthread bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #94
JFK debunker John McAdams hosts one of those... Octafish Dec 2015 #110
Here's an excellent thread from Bolo Boffin proving Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin: cpwm17 Dec 2015 #106
The hilarious thing, here: Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #109
I guess, then, the CIA and FBI would be part of a let-it-happen-on-purpose conspiracy. n/t cpwm17 Dec 2015 #123
Hardly Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #134
I don't believe it was any kind of conspiracy, cpwm17 Dec 2015 #135
Vincent Bugliosi doesn't consider the Chicago Plot when talking about Oswald. Octafish Dec 2015 #112
Retired FBI Special Agent Don Adams interviewed Joseph Adams Milteer... Octafish Dec 2015 #131
Great Post. K and R. PCIntern Dec 2015 #111
The Warrant Report Octafish Dec 2015 #113
I find Shenon a troublesome source. librechik Dec 2015 #117
A Thank You to Phil Shenon from Dan Hardway Octafish Dec 2015 #120
K&R G_j Dec 2015 #122
You are most welcome, G_j! Politico seems to be bolstering Shenon's Dallas expertise. Octafish Dec 2015 #130
Movie please LOL but seriously, I never believed the official story...this is fascinating randys1 Dec 2015 #126
The thing missing from the coverage: Context. Octafish Dec 2015 #136
K&R smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #129
The CIA Keeps (Accidentally) Legitimizing JFK Conspiracy Theories Octafish Dec 2015 #137
It's amazing how so many people implicitly trust the government and think they are smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #138
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Dec 2015 #132
Both McCone and Dulles hid CIA-Mafia assassination plots from Warren Commission and America Octafish Dec 2015 #139
Both McCone and Dulles hid monitoring of Oswald in New Orleans from Warren Commission and America... Octafish Dec 2015 #148
The CIA had every reason to hide Operation Mongoose from KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #142
Excellent points. But if Oswald did it, why does secret government continue to cover-up? Octafish Dec 2015 #144
Let us begin with a fact about LHO : he was a firm believer in and KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #146
Good analysis, based on the story as reported by FBI/CIA. Ignored was CIA monitoring Oswald... Octafish Dec 2015 #147
K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. Bookmark. JEB Dec 2015 #149
Richard Helms obstructed Justice in 1964...CIA still does... Octafish Jan 2016 #150
Sounds good to me... JEB Jan 2016 #152
Kicking So we never forget. n/t Hotler Jan 2016 #151
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