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Octafish

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147. Good analysis, based on the story as reported by FBI/CIA. Ignored was CIA monitoring Oswald...
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 05:41 PM
Dec 2015

...and the role of CIA and the Mafia in killing Castro and Friends. That's where the banal goes pultroon: In the name of preventing nuclear war, Justice Warren failed to learn all there was to know. Since then, the HSCA -- House Select Committee on Assassinations -- got two staffers over to the CIA and started looking over the files. Then, one day, the investigators asked about Johnny Roselli and got a little too close. So, CIA recalled their liaison and appointed George Joannides. How was Congress to know Joannides wasn't just a liaison, but a participant in the FBI-CIA program monitoring Oswald in the summer of 1963?

The author is an eyewitness, serving as a staff member of the House Select Committee on Assassination in the mid-1970s. Today an attorney, Hardway has gone on-record to detail how CIA went out of its way to obstruct Congress:



A CRUEL AND SHOCKING MISINTERPRETATION

by Dan Hardway, (c) 2015

EXCERPT...

To fully appreciate why I say that, a little background from Washington in 1978, is necessary. In 1978 the CIA resisted the HSCA’s inquiry into Mexico City more than any other area of inquiry. The chief counsel, G. Robert Blakey, told the Committee on August 15, 1978, “(T)he deeper we have gotten into the Agency’s performance in Mexico City, the more difficult they have gotten in dealing with us, the more they have insisted on relevance, the more they have gone back in effect on their agreement to give us access to unsanitized files. For a while we had general and free access to unsanitized files. That is increasingly not true in the Mexico City area….” And we have since learned that they used George Joannides to shut down the investigation into Oswald and Mexico City. In doing so, they lied to us about who he was. He ran propaganda operations in

Miami in 1963-64 and was the case officer for DRE, the anti-Castro group that scored the anti-Fair Play for Cuba Committee coup using Oswald in New Orleans in August of 1963. As G. Robert Blakey has since acknowledged, “The CIA not only lied, it actively subverted the investigation.” I think the CIA expected we would take the superficial approach of considering the “Castro did it” theory, but when we went beyond the initial appearances and began pushing our investigation into the propaganda sources, seeking interviews with the actual penetration and surveillance agents, seeking to find others in Mexico City who may have seen Oswald, then the Agency resistance to our investigation turned to a stonewall. Shouldn’t it be enough to raise serious questions that when a Congressional Committee investigating specific disinformation operations ran by the CIA, the CIA brings one of those involved in the operation being investigated and uses him in an undercover capacity to forestall and subvert the investigation? But that’s not all.

Consider the scenario of U.S. intelligence involvement in Oswald’s activities in Mexico City that we were not able to fully investigate in 1978. Let’s start with some background on David Phillips. David Phillips was one of, if not the, most experienced, ingenious, respected, and qualified disinformation officers in the CIA. In 1963 he was stationed in Mexico City, but, in early October, he was temporarily assigned to duty at Headquarters because he was being promoted from running anti-Castro propaganda operations to overseeing all anti-Castro operations in the Western Hemisphere. He was an experienced hand. In the late 1950’s he had been under non-diplomatic cover in Havana, where he worked with student leaders who would eventually form the Directorio Revolucionario Estudantil (“DRE”). During the Bay of Pigs, Phillips was stationed at CIA Headquarters where he had responsibility for the propaganda and psychological warfare aspects of the antiCastro operations. In running those operations he not only oversaw the operations he ran personally from Headquarters, he was also the supervisor of the propaganda operations flowing out of the JMWAVE station in Miami by William Kent (aka Doug Gupton, William Trouchard). When the students who had been recruited by Phillips fled Cuba, they were reorganized under Kent’s tutelage into the DRE based in Miami.

Phillips was transferred to Mexico City later in 1961 after the Bay of Pigs. Kent was promoted to Headquarters, and George Joannides took over Kent’s position in Miami, including supervision of DRE. While still stationed in Headquarters in the early 60’s, David Phillips had worked with Cord Meyer to develop the first disinformation campaign aimed at discrediting and disrupting a group of Castro sympathizers who had organized themselves into the Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC). In the summer of 1963 Lee Harvey Oswald formed a chapter of the FPCC in New Orleans. In August of 1963 Lee Harvey Oswald, still in New Orleans, had an encounter with DRE which led to a lot of publicity linking Oswald to communists, labeling him as pro-Castro, and discrediting the FPCC. In July and August of that year there is strong evidence that Oswald was used to identify and contact pro-Castro students at Tulane University. In early September, Oswald was seen with David Philips in Dallas.

On September 16, 1963, the CIA informed the FBI that it was considering action to counter the activities of the FPCC in foreign countries. To my knowledge, the operational files on this new anti-FPCC operation have never been released by the CIA. In New Orleans, on September 17, 1963, Oswald applied for, and received, a Mexican travel visa immediately after William Gaudet, a known CIA agent, had applied for one. On September 27 Oswald arrived in Mexico City. This activity did not occur suddenly or in a vacuum. Oswald had started establishing his pro-Castro bona fides earlier that summer in New Orleans, including establishing an FPCC chapter there.

CONTINUED...

http://aarclibrary.org/a-cruel-and-shocking-misinterpretation/



The evidence revealed since 1964 shows that whoever was behind the assassination didn't really matter as much as their objective: Link Oswald to Cuba and let blame fall on Castro. That way, somebody could have their nuclear war on the the commies and smash the USSR once and for all and be happy. Now that's evil.
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2015 #1
You are most welcome, H2O Man! Octafish Dec 2015 #2
I like to remember H2O Man Dec 2015 #4
Great memory, yours. Octafish Dec 2015 #8
Wow, your link at the bottom of post (tag line?) is truly arthritisR_US Dec 2015 #31
Vincent Salandria was on the case, starting Nov. 22, 1963. Octafish Dec 2015 #35
I read Specter's request as an admission of a coverup of the actual facts. arthritisR_US Dec 2015 #46
You are most welcome, arthritisR_US! Octafish Dec 2015 #52
Another rec. Don't stop doing this Octafish. panader0 Dec 2015 #3
Thank you, panader0! Octafish Dec 2015 #5
There's a forum for this edhopper Dec 2015 #6
Please, show what's speculation. Octafish Dec 2015 #7
pleas discuss edhopper Dec 2015 #9
So, you can't show what's speculation. Octafish Dec 2015 #10
okay then edhopper Dec 2015 #12
Funny. I never thought I needed your permission. Octafish Dec 2015 #16
Didn't intend it that way. edhopper Dec 2015 #17
+1000 & k&r nationalize the fed Dec 2015 #41
Duppy Conqueror Octafish Dec 2015 #127
The OP is not H2O Man Dec 2015 #14
That's why we have forums for this edhopper Dec 2015 #15
DU:GD H2O Man Dec 2015 #20
same to you. edhopper Dec 2015 #22
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2015 #23
I love some of the non political discussions edhopper Dec 2015 #25
The title of the OP. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #11
What's wrong with it? Octafish Dec 2015 #13
Actually no the title reflects the context. Rex Dec 2015 #19
Please SHOW absolute proof. It is all shit rehashed for 50 years. nt Logical Dec 2015 #81
You call me obsessed, yet all you got is ad hominem. Octafish Dec 2015 #96
There is a forum for this. And it is not GD. nt Logical Dec 2015 #97
Some posters are exempt from Forum SOPs...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #50
Next up .... chemtrails, mind control via vaccine, the pope piloted the 9/11 planes n/t etherealtruth Dec 2015 #56
Ad hominem shows all you know is smear. Octafish Dec 2015 #73
Truly... some really are... nt villager Dec 2015 #76
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #62
I would disagree that it is edhopper Dec 2015 #72
So what, exactly, do you find wrong with the OP? Octafish Dec 2015 #75
The topic is edhopper Dec 2015 #79
So, evidence -- including what the Director of CIA did -- for conspiracy is to be hidden. Octafish Dec 2015 #80
look edhopper Dec 2015 #84
He loves the CS shit. An obsession. nt Logical Dec 2015 #82
Speaking of obsessed... Octafish Dec 2015 #85
Otca, where is the proof? This would be WORLD WIDE NEWS if it was proved. It is like all the.... Logical Dec 2015 #86
I didn't ask you to prove anything - just to support your contentions. Octafish Dec 2015 #92
The burden of proof is on the person making a nutty claim. nt Logical Dec 2015 #95
So, it should be easy for you. Yet, you don't. That's telling. Octafish Dec 2015 #98
For god sake, then why isn't the fact the CIA killed Kennedy on the.... Logical Dec 2015 #99
Nice disinformation. Where did you get the CIA killed Kennedy? Octafish Dec 2015 #100
I was 15 and nothing added up. I became suspicious with LBJ reading a few cold words in near nursery Zen Democrat Dec 2015 #128
Here's video that shows Secret Service ordered off JFK's limousine. Octafish Dec 2015 #140
thank you, edhopper! librechik Dec 2015 #115
Your welcome edhopper Dec 2015 #118
The CIA sits on its secrets hoping enough time will pass Rex Dec 2015 #18
I agree H2O Man Dec 2015 #21
Once no one is around who remembers, CIABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutworks can tell the tale. Octafish Dec 2015 #24
I feel like crying. I wonder if we can ever change this world jwirr Dec 2015 #26
That feeling of powerlessness... Octafish Dec 2015 #27
Once again thank you. I really do understand this and try jwirr Dec 2015 #28
Beethoven. Octafish Dec 2015 #37
I had no idea that is where he got this. That is totally inspiring. jwirr Dec 2015 #40
The guy was a Democrat before there was a Party. Octafish Dec 2015 #55
Good way to start the morning. We are part of a very long jwirr Dec 2015 #58
Amazing. nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #47
"The heart grows stronger by facing the evils of the world." -- Ludwig van Beethoven (Fidelio) Octafish Dec 2015 #57
This IS inspiring. SalviaBlue Dec 2015 #119
Am I the only one that was not involved in the JFK assassination plot? cpwm17 Dec 2015 #29
Were you director of the CIA? Octafish Dec 2015 #32
This shit is just like 9/11 truthers. So old and so wrong. nt Logical Dec 2015 #64
No, I'm not involved either treestar Dec 2015 #68
I'm your age, but I don't remember the 1960's cpwm17 Dec 2015 #88
Nixon is the first one I remember too treestar Dec 2015 #89
Unti the CIA papers are Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #30
Agree completely. Octafish Dec 2015 #42
The Russians have more info than the Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #45
Sad to say I wrote this on DU in 2005... Octafish Dec 2015 #54
Boyhood Bud did Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #63
KickandRecommend!! elias49 Dec 2015 #33
What the Warren Commission Didn’t Know Octafish Dec 2015 #60
K&R #20 bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #34
Thank you for keeping that most important history alive. Octafish Dec 2015 #61
Octakick. . . . . n/t annabanana Dec 2015 #36
Coming from you, that means a lot... Octafish Dec 2015 #66
lol - you crack me up . . .n/t annabanana Dec 2015 #87
I'm not sure rsexaminer Dec 2015 #38
POLITICO as the fountainhead for this story is interesting, too. Octafish Dec 2015 #67
K&R Important stuff. JEB Dec 2015 #39
Why Mr. Slawson is a hero -- even if he thinks Lee Harvey Oswald is the lone assassin. Octafish Dec 2015 #69
Yes, Bush 41 was CIA at the time, and yes, he was in Dallas. KamaAina Dec 2015 #43
Wish that was taught in school, printed in the paper and broadcast on tee vee. Octafish Dec 2015 #70
The smoking gun! KamaAina Dec 2015 #74
It really bothers some people when it gets mentioned. Octafish Dec 2015 #141
Well, what does he care? He's Canadian. KamaAina Dec 2015 #143
Where and Why is JFK's brain missingj after it was in government hands? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #44
JFK's doctor -- Admiral George Burkley -- thought more than one shooter was involved. Octafish Dec 2015 #71
Three levels of information Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #133
C-SPAN has an excellent program discussing Lee Harvey Oswald, CIA and Mexico City Octafish Dec 2015 #145
K&R nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #48
The Disinformation Continues to the Present Day Octafish Dec 2015 #77
Kickin' the Sat mornin' history lesson. CanSocDem Dec 2015 #49
Lots more to learn. For instance, FBI and CIA continue to obstruct Justice. Octafish Dec 2015 #83
Thank You For Sharing These Truths cantbeserious Dec 2015 #51
You are most welcome, cantbeserious! Octafish Dec 2015 #90
Thanks Octafish. Your posts are important to me! haikugal Dec 2015 #53
Here's a truly important source of information: ABRAHAM BOLDEN. Octafish Dec 2015 #101
Oswald acted alone. Sometimes people get lucky! You love CS shit. nt Logical Dec 2015 #59
If that were true, you wouldn't spend so much time trying to stop its discussion. Octafish Dec 2015 #102
The ONE ARMED MAN Did it!!!!!! nt Logical Dec 2015 #65
What is your problem? Octafish Dec 2015 #103
The humor is that we are still discussing who did it when we know who did it. nt Logical Dec 2015 #105
No, we don't know ''who did it.'' Octafish Dec 2015 #114
FFS, you are gullible! How many murderers say "I didn't do it"??????? You have to be.... Logical Dec 2015 #116
Who's ''gullible,'' really? Octafish Dec 2015 #121
You also need to investigate this also...... Logical Dec 2015 #124
George deMohrenschildt knew both Lee Harvey Oswald and George H.W. Bush. Octafish Dec 2015 #125
Excellent...KNR Hepburn Dec 2015 #78
Allen Dulles in WC secret session said that was to be expected. Octafish Dec 2015 #104
K & R AzDar Dec 2015 #91
Thanks, AzDar! You know how different this world would be... Octafish Dec 2015 #107
K & R and a million thanks, not only for the OP, but for the entire thread mountain grammy Dec 2015 #93
Thank you for sharing that amazing and important history, mountain grammy. Octafish Dec 2015 #108
I'm adding this December 11, 2003 thread to this discussion, if it isn't already linked upthread bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #94
JFK debunker John McAdams hosts one of those... Octafish Dec 2015 #110
Here's an excellent thread from Bolo Boffin proving Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin: cpwm17 Dec 2015 #106
The hilarious thing, here: Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #109
I guess, then, the CIA and FBI would be part of a let-it-happen-on-purpose conspiracy. n/t cpwm17 Dec 2015 #123
Hardly Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #134
I don't believe it was any kind of conspiracy, cpwm17 Dec 2015 #135
Vincent Bugliosi doesn't consider the Chicago Plot when talking about Oswald. Octafish Dec 2015 #112
Retired FBI Special Agent Don Adams interviewed Joseph Adams Milteer... Octafish Dec 2015 #131
Great Post. K and R. PCIntern Dec 2015 #111
The Warrant Report Octafish Dec 2015 #113
I find Shenon a troublesome source. librechik Dec 2015 #117
A Thank You to Phil Shenon from Dan Hardway Octafish Dec 2015 #120
K&R G_j Dec 2015 #122
You are most welcome, G_j! Politico seems to be bolstering Shenon's Dallas expertise. Octafish Dec 2015 #130
Movie please LOL but seriously, I never believed the official story...this is fascinating randys1 Dec 2015 #126
The thing missing from the coverage: Context. Octafish Dec 2015 #136
K&R smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #129
The CIA Keeps (Accidentally) Legitimizing JFK Conspiracy Theories Octafish Dec 2015 #137
It's amazing how so many people implicitly trust the government and think they are smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #138
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Dec 2015 #132
Both McCone and Dulles hid CIA-Mafia assassination plots from Warren Commission and America Octafish Dec 2015 #139
Both McCone and Dulles hid monitoring of Oswald in New Orleans from Warren Commission and America... Octafish Dec 2015 #148
The CIA had every reason to hide Operation Mongoose from KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #142
Excellent points. But if Oswald did it, why does secret government continue to cover-up? Octafish Dec 2015 #144
Let us begin with a fact about LHO : he was a firm believer in and KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #146
Good analysis, based on the story as reported by FBI/CIA. Ignored was CIA monitoring Oswald... Octafish Dec 2015 #147
K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. Bookmark. JEB Dec 2015 #149
Richard Helms obstructed Justice in 1964...CIA still does... Octafish Jan 2016 #150
Sounds good to me... JEB Jan 2016 #152
Kicking So we never forget. n/t Hotler Jan 2016 #151
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