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MadDAsHell

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Fri Jan 15, 2016, 02:47 PM Jan 2016

Should 90 year old women be patted down just to "be fair"? [View all]

There was a lively thread a couple days ago about criticism of Islam and Islamaphobia. It got me thinking about something I saw a few years ago going through O'Hare on way east for a wedding: A woman, who appeared to be at least 90 years old, sitting in a chair on the other side of the metal director, being patted down.

The TSA website mentions "expedited screening through risk-based intelligence-driven security" for individuals 75 and older. When your read further, all that means is that those individuals may keep their shoes and a light jacket on during screening. Other than that, they are screened exactly the same way, including being no less likely to be randomly selected for a pat-down than someone who fits the profile of nearly every successful or unsuccessful plane hijacker of the last 40 years. Namely: a 20-40 year old male.

Namely: me.

I was not randomly screened that day, and to this day have not been.

My heart (which goes on nothing but my personal opinion) tells me it's unfair to single someone out based on their age, gender, or race. But my head, which can do math, tells me it's insanity for us, just to "be fair", to slow down our security processes and inconvenience someone who is 1) probably in the last years of their lives and 2) is of an age and gender of exactly 0 plane hijackers ever.

...while I am let through everytime presumably because, since I do fit the profile, they're too cowardly to actually check me for fear of profiling accusations.

Is the purpose of screening to prevent potential incidents, or to create the illusion of prevention while making sure not to offend?

It appears to me that we ultimately, ironically, tragically, and to our own potential demise, end up screening the people that every historical statistic tells us are the least likely to commit the act we're trying to prevent, and (for fear of offending) refuse to screen the people that every historical statistic tells us are the most likely to commit the act we're trying to prevent.

50 years from now, after (I fear) many more incidents of terrorism, are our descendants going to think fondly of us for refusing to offend, or are they going to think we were insane for refusing to acknowledge what was right in front of us?

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This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #1
I agree...but there has never been a hijacker even remotely that old, of either gender. MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #3
I think the "thought" is that someone could use her to carry a small bomb. Being 90, she may not rea Jim Beard Jan 2016 #20
I'd love to to think you're right, but I think that would be an easy excuse for the TSA. MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #21
Not sure actually, if someone is 70 or 80 they may just think, eh, had a good life, out with a bang! snooper2 Jan 2016 #2
:) Actually, according to TSA screening guidelines, they're screened exactly the same... MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #4
One of these days Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #5
That's an interesting point about the line, I'd never thought of that. MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #7
The Boston bombing Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #34
wishful thinking Takket Jan 2016 #17
Where did I say Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #31
I am interested in the naked part of your comment. madinmaryland Jan 2016 #39
Thank you for my new sigline. Dr. Strange Jan 2016 #40
Well why not? madinmaryland Jan 2016 #42
You are now free to nude about the country! Dr. Strange Jan 2016 #44
We started a new group on DU... madinmaryland Jan 2016 #45
I know a man who, six months after his wife of 50 years died, Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #6
Pat away! madamesilverspurs Jan 2016 #8
Fuck No FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #9
Definitely more sensitivity is needed towards everyone Liberal_in_LA Jan 2016 #33
How about some semblance of intelligence FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #37
I oppose profiling philosslayer Jan 2016 #10
Devil's advocate: your dearest loved one is a high frequency traveler going back and forth... MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #16
Since when is profiling acceptable? philosslayer Jan 2016 #18
Very interested in opinions on this, but I suspect many DUers are uncomfortable with the topic... MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #11
As a frequent flyer, PROFILE. FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #12
Watch 'Adam Ruins Everything' the one about Safety. It's all an illusion. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #13
Never heard of it but will check it out, thanks. nt MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #15
No LittleBlue Jan 2016 #14
^^^This Takket Jan 2016 #19
when the patting down started the right was saying to pat down only people who looked like middle- saturnsring Jan 2016 #22
Few pointers from a frequent flyer on Jet Blue HockeyMom Jan 2016 #23
Time saver gone wrong Jim Beard Jan 2016 #24
what if terrorists plant something on her JI7 Jan 2016 #25
Plant bombs on old people then jberryhill Jan 2016 #26
Theory vs. Reality The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #27
How old is Robert Dear? jberryhill Jan 2016 #28
Robert Dear is 57. SheilaT Jan 2016 #32
I agree about rail transportation Jim Beard Jan 2016 #36
A fair question HassleCat Jan 2016 #29
Very well written! Thanks for your thoughts. nt MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #30
If the purpose of random pat-downs really were to make smuggling more difficult... malthaussen Jan 2016 #35
If you pat one person, you should pat them all bigwillq Jan 2016 #38
I'm totally in favor of profiling. Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #41
I don't know about "to be fair" as much as "because they might be smuggling stuff" Recursion Jan 2016 #43
It's 'Security Theatre' plain and simple. GoneOffShore Jan 2016 #46
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