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Quantess

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Tue May 31, 2016, 05:43 AM May 2016

Sweden stirs debate with women-only swimming, in nod to Muslims [View all]

As Muslims become a larger part of Swedish society, some municipal pools are offering women-only swimming to accommodate the new arrivals. But while well intended, the new policy is bumping up against Swedish ideals of equality.

MALMÖ, SWEDEN — On the face of it, the decision to offer special women's swimming hours at the Hyllie sports center, a municipal swimming pool in the southern Swedish city of Malmö, should not be contentious.

Indeed, Malmö is not alone. According to a survey by the Swedish TV channel TV4, 13 of Sweden's 100 largest municipalities have begun offering separate swimming hours for men and women. “Our facilities are used by 40 percent women and 60 percent men,” Johan Hermansson, the head of Malmö's recreations department, told TV4. “Our ambition is for them to be used equally by girls and boys, men and women.”

And that is raising a much larger issue for Sweden. Should the native population adjust to immigrant groups' different lifestyles by accommodating women-only swimming and the like, thus providing access to Muslim newcomers who would otherwise not feel comfortable in gender-equal conditions? Or does the implementation of such segregation, however well intended, ultimately undermine the country's hard-earned traditions of gender equality.

To integrate or to segregate?
The separate swimming hours have cause an enormous debate in Sweden, with many calling the move regressive and a ghettoization of women, while others laud it as a sensible inclusion of the country's increasingly diverse population. This month Sweden's democracy minister, Alice Bah Kuhnke, told Swedish TV that gender-segregated swimming hours – as the system is often referred to – are problematic and called mixed-gender swimming “a victory after many years and generations of gender-equality struggle.”

More at the link:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2016/0530/Sweden-stirs-debate-with-women-only-swimming-in-nod-to-Muslims

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Would transgender individuals who identify as women be permitted to swim during these hours? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #1
This opens up a can of worms, doesn't it? Quantess May 2016 #11
Only if they didn't use the bathroom Bucky May 2016 #12
Nah, they'd just be stoned to death ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #54
I am for gender equality... Mike Nelson May 2016 #2
Men who refuse to shake hands with women should not be part of a secular government leadership oberliner May 2016 #3
Some of the non Muslim Swedes may have eaten haram foods such as pork Fumesucker May 2016 #4
At one point, NYC and others had women only subway cars, for purely secular reasons. rug May 2016 #5
Gosh your own link tells a far more complex tale than you suggest....one car experiment: Bluenorthwest May 2016 #10
Gosh, your own inferences from one post are qite exaggerated.. rug May 2016 #47
Aren't there special schedules for different groups now at a jwirr Jun 2016 #85
Mexico City still segregates some cars by gender. a la izquierda May 2016 #60
Thanks for that info. rug May 2016 #61
Some stations do it all day... a la izquierda May 2016 #62
I'd love to know the rationale for that. rug May 2016 #63
1 hour set aside for women only seems reasonable, as long as long they have the traditional Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #6
And set 1 hour aside for men only. Travis_0004 May 2016 #8
if they want it, sure Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #18
I call bullshit. GulfCoast66 May 2016 #39
accomodating them for a short period is reasonable, IMO Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #40
So Mississippi GulfCoast66 May 2016 #42
I'm sympathetic to your point and I'm ok with not having twomen-only hours too Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #46
accomodating sexism is NOT reasonable Skittles Jun 2016 #74
what if the women want it? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #80
It's a sad statement about a fucked-up culture Quantess Jun 2016 #82
accomodating sexism is not reasonable Skittles Jun 2016 #87
You tell em skittles...nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #88
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #90
I think that if you move to a country you should abide by their culture Marrah_G May 2016 #7
I agree with you. phylny May 2016 #9
Europe's problem is that immigrants are not allowed to truly assimilate. Odin2005 May 2016 #13
I think that is partially/mostly right Marrah_G May 2016 #14
Some immigrants assimilate a lot more quickly than others. Quantess May 2016 #16
It's not their fault zeemike May 2016 #19
Take your Islamophobic BS to Free Republic. Odin2005 May 2016 #20
Bullshit. zeemike May 2016 #22
You are a bigot who thinks all Muslims are Saudi-influenced Wahhabi fundamentalists. Odin2005 May 2016 #24
Well, I think muslim cultures in general have a huge misogyny problem Quantess May 2016 #26
I agree. ananda May 2016 #48
I disagree that the the USA is becoming more sexist and/or anti-woman, Quantess May 2016 #49
And yet criticizing Christians is fasionable zeemike May 2016 #27
Sweden, a progressive country, is regressing to satisfy Muslims davidn3600 May 2016 #28
This is a cultural issue, not a religious one. Odin2005 May 2016 #45
No, it's not just "cultural" TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #92
Sweden has ruined itself. Jim Beard Jun 2016 #76
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #91
I think thats a good idea philosslayer May 2016 #25
No, it's quite the opposite Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2016 #43
I agree with you. frogmarch May 2016 #21
Which takes us back to the question of transgendered people, Quantess May 2016 #23
+1000 smirkymonkey May 2016 #58
What Marrah Said. nt Nay May 2016 #32
Sweden needs to read a page out of the American LittleGirl May 2016 #15
Sweden has odd priorities MowCowWhoHow III May 2016 #17
In the future when segregation becomes common in Sweden Democat May 2016 #29
A minor accommodation... philosslayer May 2016 #30
Really? Do you speak for Swedish men and women now? smirkymonkey May 2016 #31
Local Swedish authorities philosslayer May 2016 #33
It's 14 out of 100 cities. This indicates it is not a very popular choice at all. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #34
Exactly philosslayer May 2016 #35
Obviously that is not my point. Your snark is motivated by bias. That's obvious. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #67
Did i say it was "the will of all Sweden"??? philosslayer May 2016 #68
"Sweden has just imposed Sharia Law" romanic Jun 2016 #75
The rest, of course, are just bigots. ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #55
When the Feds forced the segregated south GulfCoast66 May 2016 #57
Religious motivation, possible that is, aside whatthehey May 2016 #36
Well put philosslayer May 2016 #44
Curves is a private business, what you suggest is closing down the beaches which belong to us all Bluenorthwest May 2016 #66
While no expert in Sweden, most European sports facilities serve the same niche as health clubs whatthehey Jun 2016 #83
I hope they're required to wear burkinis... brooklynite May 2016 #37
Swimming maybe, sunbathing no. milestogo May 2016 #50
sad to see Sweden taking a step backwards rollin74 May 2016 #38
It's sad, isn't it? smirkymonkey May 2016 #59
NYC is having the same debate KamaAina May 2016 #41
A slippery slope Liberal_in_LA Jun 2016 #69
Here is a crazy idea... Atman May 2016 #51
I like the way you think! Coventina May 2016 #53
Sweden shouldn't sacrifice it's liberal values romanic May 2016 #52
The immigrants should adapt to the customs and laws of their host country. Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #56
Islamic women where I live wear special bathing suits. gollygee May 2016 #64
Misplaced homonym. I think you meant to say "wear" special bathing suits. (eom) StevieM Jun 2016 #71
You're right. That's embarrassing. :D Thanks! Nt gollygee Jun 2016 #81
It happens to all of us at some point, no big deal. Also, you can always edit your post. (eom) StevieM Jun 2016 #86
Church and State must always remain seperate, no matter Zorra May 2016 #65
Has anyone asked Trump what he would do? dilby Jun 2016 #70
So it's now considered "progressive" for the state to bend to the demands of religion.... davidn3600 Jun 2016 #72
As long as they're not Christians, many liberals love right wingers Democat Jun 2016 #77
It is regressive and non-egalitarian and Sweden should not have to go backwards pnwmom Jun 2016 #73
Its happening all over Europe. bdwker Jun 2016 #78
The Sharia courts aren't a part of the public system, pnwmom Jun 2016 #79
Would you be in favor of a "no men allowed" swimming pool? redgreenandblue Jun 2016 #84
Sweden didn't have these problems before the huge influx of muslim immigrants. Quantess Jun 2016 #93
The Wikipedia article on Islam in Sweden is interesting. Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #89
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