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13. I don't care for drone warfare. But it's better than carpet bombing.

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Serious question: Which is worse -- hundreds of B-17s or 1 drone [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 OP

Please name the WAR drones are being used in. Vincardog Jun 2012 #1

President Obama seems to think it's a war. He certainly acts as if it is. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #7

Luckily the Constitution says PBO can not act without a Congressional declaration. The problem is Vincardog Jun 2012 #8

Typos aside I think you're aware of the AUMF from Sept 18, 2001 Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #11

Please tell me when does the AUMF expire? Who or what has to surrender to end this FAUX war? Vincardog Jun 2012 #24

No AUMF or declaration of war has an expiration date. Why would you even ask that? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #28

"No AUMF has an expiration date"? When does this FAUX war end? Vincardog Jun 2012 #30

Just like any other war. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #31

WARS end with surrender. Who has to surrender in your mind to end this illegal "war"? Vincardog Jun 2012 #33

I think you're missing the point. randome Jun 2012 #35

Allowing this illegal AUMF allows for perpetual state of war. That was their GOAL. That Vincardog Jun 2012 #38

The laws of war throughout history have long recognized Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #39

A war ends when sarisataka Jun 2012 #44

The UN certainly thinks its a war and will hold anyone participating accountable to the rules of war stevenleser Jun 2012 #36

The squadrons of B17s came to an end.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #2

If AQ were ever truly broken Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #10

Emmanuel Golds.. err.. Al Qaeda rather is very useful to the powers that be.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #14

War is one thing, turning it into a Nintendo game is quite another. n/t 2on2u Jun 2012 #3

The B-17s were used as terror weapons upaloopa Jun 2012 #4

Agreed. ag_dude Jun 2012 #6

I wasn't making a value judgment just stating what I know as history. I wasn't there. upaloopa Jun 2012 #9

They accidentally flew across the English channel? Zanzoobar Jun 2012 #19

Actually, on Hitler's orders, deaniac21 Jun 2012 #51

Good question SoutherDem Jun 2012 #5

The problem with drones is that warfare didn't end when it was supposed to. Robb Jun 2012 #12

I don't care for drone warfare. But it's better than carpet bombing. Bake Jun 2012 #13

"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic." Stalin Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #15

Drones are the landmines of the 21st century rubluetoo Jun 2012 #16

Nice post. Interesting point. Welcome to DU :) nt Electric Monk Jun 2012 #23

A drone is nothing like a landmine (or any other persistent weapon). OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #42

Well since there are only a handful of B-17s and none are used as bombers... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #17

The real debate is (or should be) is ANY military action needed? morningfog Jun 2012 #18

What did Eva Braun ever do? Zanzoobar Jun 2012 #20

Which is worse? sudopod Jun 2012 #21

We create new enemies every day. cwydro Jun 2012 #22

To me, it's a question of due process. dawg Jun 2012 #25

Come on, man, Colbert already covered this malthaussen Jun 2012 #54

I don't think treating Afghanistan and the Second World War as equivalent is very useful. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #26

Whichever one is dropping bombs on me. Zanzoobar Jun 2012 #27

How about we do neither? n/t 99Forever Jun 2012 #29

1. Why does it have to be either/or? Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #32

Von Clausewitz wrote that the purpose of war LanternWaste Jun 2012 #34

the targets is the issue Enrique Jun 2012 #37

"Why" is the question. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #40

how about "illegal"? Enrique Jun 2012 #41

I think there's plenty of room for apprehension about targeting US citizens Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #43

many of the laws were a response to WWII Enrique Jun 2012 #45

The 4th Geneva Convention was after WWII jeff47 Jun 2012 #47

It's legal. Congress wrote an over-broad AUMF. jeff47 Jun 2012 #48

Are you claiming we knew who 1M Japanese were when we firebombed Tokyo? (nt) jeff47 Jun 2012 #46

are you claiming we can drop nukes on Pakistan and Yemen? Enrique Jun 2012 #49

Technically, we can. Nothing in the AUMF says we can't. jeff47 Jun 2012 #50

Crap it used to be even worse then people think..to hell with the Germans, EX500rider Jun 2012 #52

And of course, we didn't make a dent in the sub pens. malthaussen Jun 2012 #55

Ball-bearings are strategic resources malthaussen Jun 2012 #53