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Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:44 AM

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A real Democrat doesn't support the TPP... [View all] TheProgressive Jun 2016 OP

Does not President Obama support it? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #1

Yes, what's your point? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #11

I think it is quite obvious Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #14

I hope you don't mean that because the President approves we must all fall in line. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #15

Of course not Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #18

But, but Obama supports the TPP and Hillary doesn't, so what do I do? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #20

Good question Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #21

You can disagree with President Obama without pretending to yourself he's not a Democrat ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #22

Good post. We're no longer bashing Democrats here, Hortensis Jun 2016 #42

What happens when Obama and Clinton disagree? Can either position be questioned? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #46

As I understand, Clinton's point of disagreement with POTUS is not about the TPP as a concept YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #61

She is very clear about her standards for free trade agreements... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #74

Fair point. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #85

Seems the implication is that President Barack Obama isn't a "real Democrat"? George II Jun 2016 #38

My comment was to the poster that seems to "imply" that we need to support the TPP just rhett o rick Jun 2016 #47

^^This^^ Pharaoh Jun 2016 #75

I don't support it now. If Hillary changes her mind after she's president, I'll support it then. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2016 #78

So you disagree with Pres Obama? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #79

That's a tricky question. All I know is that I agree with Hillary. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2016 #80

LOL JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #81

^^ Double This ^^ chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #83

I don't think anyone on this forum knows enough about the details to make a definitive decision.... George II Jun 2016 #89

And why is that? Why isn't the President explaining how the TPP will help us? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #90

That's not the point - remember, the subject is: George II Jun 2016 #91

You want to argue about what is or isnt a true Democrat and not discuss the TPP? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #92

I'm not arguing it at all. I just think it's a narrow definition of a "real Democrat". George II Jun 2016 #93

I think the definition should include support of the People over corporations. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #94

This is a country of 320 million people, with dozens, hundreds, even thousands... George II Jun 2016 #95

And once again you don't commit yourself. I will guess that you don't care about the rhett o rick Jun 2016 #96

Do you support the TPP? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #77

And the Republicans in Congress support it more than the Dems. arcane1 Jun 2016 #31

Does it boil down to just those two options? Obama isn't a Democrat now? George II Jun 2016 #39

Yeah, I'm against it too cheapdate Jun 2016 #2

Withdraw from WTO and Repeal NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #7

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http://www.petition2congress.com/2376/withdraw-from-wto-repeal-nafta-gatt-cafta SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #10

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #23

Apparently FDR did not agree with your analysis of the constitution. He proposed the ITO (with GATT pampango Jun 2016 #40

Congress, and only Congress has the power to negotiate trade with foreign countries SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #49

And if congress approves negotiated US membership in an international trade organization? Is that pampango Jun 2016 #50

"Congress has the authority to regulate cheapdate Jun 2016 #88

Yes, Hillary supported TPP before she changed her position. But, she's always been a Democrat in my mind. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #86

And no true Scotsman refused to wear a kilt! eom Maeve Jun 2016 #3

President Obama Urges Swift Passage of TPP Trade Deal oberliner Jun 2016 #4

We have to support deaniac21 Jun 2016 #6

We have to at least acknowledge that he is "a real Democrat" oberliner Jun 2016 #9

Isn't Hillary against the TPP? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #12

I don't know for sure Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #16

Yes oberliner Jun 2016 #17

She thinks Vietnam and Malaysia got off too easy, IIRC Recursion Jun 2016 #25

No she was for it Pharaoh Jun 2016 #27

Not accurate. She was the functionary of a boss who supported it. Her opinion didn't matter. MADem Jun 2016 #65

she was for it Pharaoh Jun 2016 #67

No, she wasn't. She declined to crap on her boss--there's a distinction and a difference. MADem Jun 2016 #72

whatever Pharaoh Jun 2016 #73

I agree in principle with that statement. No president makes everyone happy on every issue. floriduck Jun 2016 #63

I wish some Democratic Senator with a backbone would go on MtP and say the following: Chan790 Jun 2016 #5

Actually I don't believe Hillary would attempt to cancel the TPP Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #28

Yeah, we sure as hell won't win anything if TPP passes. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #30

There is really nothing we can do. The Major Corporations wrote it, so it will be golden. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #13

Post#19 believes that most Democrats support TPP avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #24

"If that is the case, it is certainly is a shameful time to be a Democrat." But not a pampango Jun 2016 #44

It's more popular among Democrats than Republicans, and a majority of Democrats support it Recursion Jun 2016 #19

Not in Congress n/t arcane1 Jun 2016 #51

That is certainly true. A disconnect between politicians and their bases - imagine that! pampango Jun 2016 #53

Says someone on the internet Egnever Jun 2016 #26

I agree. These 'free' trade agreements have not created jobs, PatrickforO Jun 2016 #29

So are you saying President Obama isn't a Democrat? still_one Jun 2016 #32

He's saying President Obama is not a "real Democrat" and is in Clear Violation of the NEW Cha Jun 2016 #34

That is how I am viewing it also. still_one Jun 2016 #35

agreed steve2470 Jun 2016 #58

Yes, seems intentionally substanceless Bradical79 Jun 2016 #59

There are always pros and cons to these trade agreements, the economic theorists seem to always The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #33

So how much longer until NAFTA pays off for U.S. workers? tk2kewl Jun 2016 #48

Perhaps you could enlighten those of us ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #36

Trying not to laugh here. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #37

I'll be watching and waiting for the poster to enlighten me, too, because from what I've already BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #56

Candidate Obama: "NAFTA Was a Mistake" nationalize the fed Jun 2016 #41

I don't believe he said, "trade agreements are a mistake" but that "NAFTA was a mistake". pampango Jun 2016 #52

You're right. He also promised that he would fix the weak resolutions in prior trade agreements, and BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #57

And TPP will replace NAFTA, and addressed some of his concerns Recursion Jun 2016 #84

A real Democrat would support the positive environmental and wage aspects of the TPP and work glennward Jun 2016 #43

We're not allowed zipplewrath Jun 2016 #66

Norman Goldman speaks of Cary Jun 2016 #45

it doesn't come close to ending American sovereignty and hello corporations have been firing workers geek tragedy Jun 2016 #54

Please inform me about what constitutes a "Real Democrat". Loki Jun 2016 #55

How are free trade agreements illegal by definition? Bradical79 Jun 2016 #60

Look up 'treaties' and how they apply to the US Constitution... TheProgressive Jun 2016 #68

You are quite correct. The thing is, some have 're-defined' the definition of Democrat. Octafish Jun 2016 #62

I don't like hearing people debate who are "real Democrats" or not. moriah Jun 2016 #64

The working class thinks the ones that would benefit from the TPP have enough already. Rex Jun 2016 #69

If the TPP won't harm the 99% why doesn't the President have someone explain it in detail rhett o rick Jun 2016 #70

Republicans Pre Reagan Wouldn't Either colsohlibgal Jun 2016 #71

Almost every country has wanted to be part of these same agreements since 1959. Hoyt Jun 2016 #76

The biggest downside to these trade agreements ... kentuck Jun 2016 #82

Very concerned about TPP ISDS court process Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #87

A "real Democrat" is defined by one issue? JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #97

I am a lifelong Democrat and I support the TPP MohRokTah Jun 2016 #98