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Meldread

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20. If the EU breaks apart, Europe as we know it begins to collapse.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:30 PM
Jun 2016

The stability of Europe as we know it is due entirely to the creation of the EU. The break up of the EU will inevitably lead to an end to European stability, and a growing hostility between European nations.

I am not going to sit here and argue that the EU is perfect. It is not. It is a deeply imperfect institution, and that is putting it mildly. However, all of the flaws that it possesses exist because the individual nations that make it up are trying to maintain too much independence from the union. It would be a bit like California deciding that it wants greater independence from the United States as a whole. In an ideal situation the EU's nations would unify to function more like states in the United States.

If that were to happen, and they were to have a greater and more stronger economic and political union, a lot of the problems experienced by the EU's institutions would begin to be alleviated.

As for Scotland... it's important to remember that the United Kingdom is called "United" for a reason. It is made up of four different "countries" which are England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. Overwhelmingly, the people of Scotland and Northern Ireland want to remain in the EU. In fact the Scottish are extremely pro-EU. If the UK leaves the EU it will have an impact on Scotland as well, whose people are not entirely happy with all the power England has over them. The EU is largely seen as the counterweight to English rule. There could easily be another push for Scotland to leave the UK, and if the EU is on the other side promising membership and assistance in helping Scotland gain its independence, then it is almost certain the Scottish will choose to leave. There is also a possibility of Ireland unifying so that Northern Ireland could rejoin the EU for similar reasons.

It is in the interest of the entire world to see Europe as a whole remain united and stable. The United States, as well as every other nation, should want this to be the case. I think if the UK leaves there is a potential opportunity for the EU to grow even stronger, but only if the UK is not rewarded for leaving. If the UK suffers for leaving the EU, particularly if it breaks up and its individual parts join the EU, then England will eventually relent and join as well--not as a half-assed partner, but as a full fledged member. The union could emerge stronger, but only if the UK does not benefit from leaving.

If Britain leaves the EU [View all] RB TexLa Jun 2016 OP
Britain is one of our deepest, closest allies metroins Jun 2016 #1
I disagree. They have a trade deal with the US right now through the EU. RB TexLa Jun 2016 #3
We can always negotiate another metroins Jun 2016 #5
I do not think we should. They want to contribute to a non-unified Europe, they can pay the price RB TexLa Jun 2016 #7
This would only hurt us metroins Jun 2016 #8
That's like saying a friendship is beneficial only because of how old it is. We will survive a RB TexLa Jun 2016 #9
5th largest gdp metroins Jun 2016 #10
Yes, but why do we want to Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #12
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Do you have any data backing this assertion? Albertoo Jun 2016 #14
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The EU had zero impact on immigration, as can easily be proven Albertoo Jun 2016 #19
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The figure for Pakistan shows your link immigration/EU is wrong Albertoo Jun 2016 #22
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Since entry in the EU, the share of European immigration in the UK DECLINED Albertoo Jun 2016 #27
"As of 2014, 790,000 people born in Poland were estimated to be resident in the UK" uppityperson Jun 2016 #23
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UK voters chose entry in the EU which stated ever closer union in its constitution preamble Albertoo Jun 2016 #28
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Why are you so personally invested? uppityperson Jun 2016 #30
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Are you out of your trees? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #34
I don't quite get.. sendero Jun 2016 #42
Well said Corporate666 Jun 2016 #48
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What is the existing trade agreement between the US and the EU? TTIP is under negotiation but pampango Jun 2016 #38
Agree completely Glorfindel Jun 2016 #4
EU is corporate run to slash wages and benefits by inducing emigration/immigration nt msongs Jun 2016 #2
What they are doing is stupid and dangerous. Meldread Jun 2016 #16
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If the EU breaks apart, Europe as we know it begins to collapse. Meldread Jun 2016 #20
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Why should countries remain together if they don't want to? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #35
My response. Meldread Jun 2016 #37
So you're in favor of Corporate666 Jun 2016 #47
Less or more favorable for us or them? Recursion Jun 2016 #17
The EU has been shooting themselves for awhile davidn3600 Jun 2016 #32
history nationalize the fed Jun 2016 #33
After bailing their asses out of two world wars, tirebiter Jun 2016 #36
Hmm let's see whatthehey Jun 2016 #44
The US 'should' treat them the same but the UK will find that their negotiating clout is diminshed pampango Jun 2016 #39
So we're actually discussing how to punish the UK for leaving the EU??? ileus Jun 2016 #40
"Do nothing" sounds good. Why must we react at all? nt bemildred Jun 2016 #41
When two good friends divorce I don't see it as my role to take sides or punish one Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #43
One little wrinkle whatthehey Jun 2016 #45
So let me get this straight. You will not trade with a country that votes to leave the EU but Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #46
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