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thucythucy

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44. There was nothing inevitable about the triumph
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 09:51 PM
Jun 2012

of the civil rights movement in the 1960s. It was the result of an incredible amount of work, dedication, and sacrifice by people, some of whom gave their lives for the cause. Remember that after the triumph of the abolitionists in the 1860s, won with the support of more than a hundred thousand black soldiers, we had close to a hundred years of backlash and Jim Crow. Every step forward comes with the risk of two steps backwards. Contrary to what Marx says, nothing in history is "inevitable." It all depends on what people do--as individuals, and as societies.

And to say that Rev. King "was just in the right place at the right time" is pretty demeaning to King and all that he did and all that he sacrificed. Things didn't just magically happen in the 1950s and '60s because of "people's frustrations." Do you think African Americans weren't frustrated in the 1920s, the 1930s, the 1940s? A lot of incredible work went into achieving what was achieved, and at any point something could have changed the outcome. The Supreme Court could have ruled against the plaintiffs in Brown v. Board. The family of Emmit Till could have opted for a closed casket funeral. The Montgomery bus boycott could have failed (as similiar boycotts before it did). Richard Nixon came close to winning the election in 1960--in which case I doubt the 1964 Civil Rights Act would ever have been signed, let alone the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Every step of the way was fraught with the chance of failure, and there were not a few moments (after the bombings in Birmingham, for example) when people were close to despair.

Anyway, I certainly agree with the separation of church and state. I just don't think alienating religious lefties is a particularly smart move on the part of Democrats.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the rest of this.

And so, best wishes until we meet here again.

ThucyThucy

Democrats should pull the Jesus card [View all] sandyshoes17 Jun 2012 OP
Nah, the fastest growing demographic in this country is the non-religious. LAGC Jun 2012 #1
Yes, the non-religious are a growing consitutency . . . MrModerate Jun 2012 #9
It would bring religious liberals into the fold. Zalatix Jun 2012 #2
I got news for you ... religious liberals are ALREADY in the fold. Bake Jun 2012 #52
Good idea SoutherDem Jun 2012 #3
Nice contrast, huh? freshwest Jun 2012 #5
I don't elect politicians to be my spiritual counselors. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #4
Yeah, but so many believe Obama is the Anti-Christ. We need a buffer zone. freshwest Jun 2012 #6
Here's a perfect example of how this would work: thucythucy Jun 2012 #7
Exactly sandyshoes17 Jun 2012 #10
i like knowing that when little kids tease old prophets and pull their beards iemitsu Jun 2012 #24
The problem is.... Xolodno Jun 2012 #8
"This will piss off the militant atheists here..." LAGC Jun 2012 #11
It doesn't matter which side someone is on turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #13
I don't really care what your religious beliefs happen to be. LAGC Jun 2012 #14
If you will please forgive me, but.... aka-chmeee Jun 2012 #20
Read my post 28 below thucythucy Jun 2012 #34
There's a lot of excellent stuff in Isaiah thucythucy Jun 2012 #36
I think it may have less to do with tradition thucythucy Jun 2012 #16
I guess I just don't see how Separation of Church and State should alienate you. LAGC Jun 2012 #17
As I understand it, separation of church and state thucythucy Jun 2012 #28
The problem is, when you start legislating morality based on religious views... LAGC Jun 2012 #37
The right will do the same thucythucy Jun 2012 #39
Well, the civil rights movement was inevitable. LAGC Jun 2012 #40
There was nothing inevitable about the triumph thucythucy Jun 2012 #44
You're pretty quick to discount Marx. LAGC Jun 2012 #49
Nothing you've written offends me, thucythucy Jun 2012 #51
right wing religious groups iemitsu Jun 2012 #26
There is in fact a long history of the religious left thucythucy Jun 2012 #12
This Athiest LOVES, LOVEs, to call out the right wing on Biblical terms. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #15
am blessed(??) with turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #19
I'm sure there are zealot Athiests. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #42
Yeah, its got to be a turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #43
There's a good reason why the wingnuts have the godnuts Major Nikon Jun 2012 #18
GLORY BE NOT TO THE REPUBLICAN JESUS!!! tomkoop Jun 2012 #21
I don't want the Democratic Party to be in bed with Big Religion. AJTheMan Jun 2012 #22
Define bias? Define exclusion? -thanks turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #31
Progressive and left Christians are not "Big Religion." thucythucy Jun 2012 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author AJTheMan Jun 2012 #35
Not that we should become wingnuts sandyshoes17 Jun 2012 #23
They are also trying to convince us that money is god; thucythucy Jun 2012 #38
This was done on a fairly large scale in the sixties. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2012 #25
But much has been destroyed since then. turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #33
Ever read much about Anton Lavey and the Church of Satan? dawg Jun 2012 #27
How Would Jesus Govern Poiuyt Jun 2012 #29
Dems could say anything as long as frogmarch Jun 2012 #30
Maybe the Jesus action figure? trusty elf Jun 2012 #41
Great...religious wars between political parties...just what we need... cynatnite Jun 2012 #45
I get disgusted when any politician pulls their religion card out. Autumn Jun 2012 #46
Most of the right Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #47
Honey- that's how you do it in Red Texas w8liftinglady Jun 2012 #48
Why would I... 99Forever Jun 2012 #50
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