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In reply to the discussion: I am amazed - really quite amazed - at some of the Brexit opinions I am reading here on DU [View all]TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)203. For what it's worth:
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Yes, some of that populist rage was molded by demagogues who took advantage of the unhappiness, and who knew how to whip up xenophobic fervor.
Unfortunately, from what I've experienced over the last few weeks, a great deal of the working class anger and pain caused by successive Conservation and Blairite governments was minted into xenophobia. I have to say that I've also met a lot of natural, grassroots Tory and UKIP types (usually in the older age groups) who are just dyed in the wool Little Englanders and/or racists. Bear in mind that the Conservatives won a comfortable victory in 2015 and it's the party which historically has attracted the anti-immigration vote.
Brexit voters outwith these two main groups exist, but seem to be pretty rare.
But you know what? If the so-called elites had given a fig about the populace in the first place, we'd all be in a better place. But they did not, and they do not.
True.
ETA: I did some shifts with my local Labour Party's 'Remain' campaign and met a lot of Brexit voters & supporters.
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I am amazed - really quite amazed - at some of the Brexit opinions I am reading here on DU [View all]
Stinky The Clown
Jun 2016
OP
what do you mean by officially endorsed? if you mean historically accurate then you are right
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2016
#6
There are channels for Parliamentary proposals to be presented to Brussels for study and approval.
Surya Gayatri
Jun 2016
#81
The post with the quote "the governing body in Brussels isn't elected..." was hidden.
Surya Gayatri
Jun 2016
#232
Your argument would make more sense if the UK didn't have the unelected House of Lords.
Metric System
Jun 2016
#129
People were saying they didn't trust "experts" and trusted this Trump-like politician. Sort of like
kerry-is-my-prez
Jun 2016
#140
I think you're confusing that with the real unelected body known as the House of Lords...
truebrit71
Jun 2016
#221
Buyers' remorse is setting in. Cameron foolishly set the referendum as a simple majority . . .
brush
Jun 2016
#80
Not only will he not survive, he will be reviled as the incompetent jackass who
Surya Gayatri
Jun 2016
#141
Perhaps what Jim Messina, political advisor to Cameron and Hillary superPAC co-chair told him
JonLeibowitz
Jun 2016
#121
The tools available to the general public are votes, torches or pitchforks. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2016
#28
Could you perhaps summarize what the problems are in the establishment itself?
ancianita
Jun 2016
#100
i know. so many dumb and informed posts backing xenophobia and other far right values
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2016
#5
You're welcome. I live in France, so like everybody on the Continent I feel directly concerned.
Surya Gayatri
Jun 2016
#165
Well we can't let those poor groups of elites lose anything that would suck for them.
Rex
Jun 2016
#14
Entertainment from bizarro land?. Chuckles since all that primary whack is gone I guess
Person 2713
Jun 2016
#73
Because Brexit was at its base xenophobic rather than any altruistic desire to shake the yoke...
truebrit71
Jun 2016
#219
Yeah, like the sun now sets on a much smaller, less influential, read "non-existent", empire.
Surya Gayatri
Jun 2016
#57
There wasn't an EU at that time, so it was hardly a case of England choosing isolation
LeftishBrit
Jun 2016
#59
Sadly there is a lot of overlap between some elements of the populist Left and populist Right.
Odin2005
Jun 2016
#36
This is the danger of uninformed voters. Had the leave crew been pressed for specifics, I doubt
Laser102
Jun 2016
#38
Seems clear to me that the austerity politics of the Eurozone motivated many people
Akamai
Jun 2016
#65
IMO a big cause of this is the disproportionate influence of Germany on EU economic policy.
Odin2005
Jun 2016
#96
I have been saying this for a while now. The open border policy of the EU was just the last straw.
modem77
Jun 2016
#85
Older people "lazy ignorant fucks" voted to leave because we remember.
Boudica the Lyoness
Jun 2016
#82
Nice meander down nostalgia lane. This "Mary Poppins" Britain did not disappear under EU influence.
Surya Gayatri
Jun 2016
#93
No, but six months gives you a pretty accurate view of the lay of the land.
Surya Gayatri
Jun 2016
#107
The wrong-headed nostalgia sounded pretty sincere. I don't believe the poster
Surya Gayatri
Jun 2016
#144
This is a prime example of people voting against the best interest, why did UK vote for nearly...
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#94
If you expect to live in a shit then you will live in a shit hole.
Boudica the Lyoness
Jun 2016
#102
The irony of an ex-pat voting for a gauzy dream England that hasn't existed for decades.
Surya Gayatri
Jun 2016
#127
I still remember the bemused reactions of the Brits when, during my first visit back in the late
Surya Gayatri
Jun 2016
#250
People wouldn't have had to sacrifice their lives in the trenches if there'd been no wars
LeftishBrit
Jun 2016
#248
I have been in the UK the last couple weeks, and my British friends and colleagues here
Vattel
Jun 2016
#92
Yes, cognitive disconnect is very upsetting, I hope you get over it soon. nt
bemildred
Jun 2016
#113
It's not cognitive dissonance to be disgusted that some here want to side with the far-right UK
Hissyspit
Jun 2016
#148
considering that many of the people who voted for it, at least in what I am reading, didn't actually
niyad
Jun 2016
#114
somebody should have reminded these people of an old adage: "if something sounds too good to be
niyad
Jun 2016
#135
Being confused, I usually say nothing. But I'm not getting what you're saying about what
ancianita
Jun 2016
#117
There are already over 1,000,000 signatures on a petition to do just that.
Surya Gayatri
Jun 2016
#157
Yup, you already know if the vote went the other way it would be the "the people have spoken
TheKentuckian
Jun 2016
#245
I did a calculation; the weather made little difference compared to the margin Leave won by
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#189
If you know so much, who was the guy who fucked a pig? And did the pig figure in any of this?
Teamster Jeff
Jun 2016
#133
You can have any opinion you wish, but you can't have your own set of facts.
Stinky The Clown
Jun 2016
#137
Agreed. People here defending a referendum set up by a right-wing PM to appease the
Hissyspit
Jun 2016
#142
Absofuckinglutely spot on. I just posted another thread about this, should have read yours first.
auntpurl
Jun 2016
#166
Trump loves backruptcy, so no wonder he loves Brexit. Watchingh money disappear, such fun!
L. Coyote
Jun 2016
#206
If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else. ~ Yogi Berra
fleabiscuit
Jun 2016
#216
So many tin ears: calling those who want anything but the status quo BOTH racists and duped.
Betty Karlson
Jun 2016
#233