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In reply to the discussion: The Brexit Rejection of Neoliberal Tyranny [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(101,312 posts)47. One of your 'big boys' is saying Hillary armed ISIS, and is attacking Obama
If you're going you appeal to him as an authority, you're using the Brexit situation to attack the US Democratic party with a ridiculous lie.
You're claiming the Brexit vote was caused by Middle East policy. No, it's about immigration, from Eastern Europe; ignore the 'big boys' you love so much, and read up about UK politics for the past 20 years. I've given you a bit; find out more, and actually look at the relationship between Britain and the EU, rather than Pilger's general reasoning of why he doesn't like Britain's politicians, past or present.
Is he lying here?
But the left wing was just as vocal, and the left wing was saying, why are these immigrants coming here? Theyre coming here because of Europes support of NATO...
He's wrong; possibly so wrong that you would call it 'lying'. No, the left wing was nowhere near as vocal, and they didn't link it to NATO.
Am I denying that Hillary armed ISIS? Of course I'm denying that. It's a complete load of bullshit. I'm not 'insinuating that "he's claiming that she deliberately and willfully gave them arms "; he is claiming that, in black and white. If you think "that's exactly what happened with the arms", there's no hope for you: you would be claiming Hillary committed treason. I remind you this is a Democratic site, and now in general election mode; you're not allowed to spread lies about Democrats.
"Hudson and Pilger both appear to be arguing that the ME warmongering served as the catalyst/cause for the immigration issue" - and they're both wrong. The immigration issue has been going since the Eastern European countries joined the EU, and Britain was one of the first countries to give them full free movement of labour.
"You appear to be arguing that the ME fiascos had no role at all of any discernable size or consequence. " - pretty much. Farage used claims about refugees a few times to fan the flames of fear, but the argument is mostly about whether EU citizens get to come to Britain to work without restriction, what benefits they get, and whether they cause problems for the health service, schools, or housing.
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For sure neoliberalism banking explosion, due to lax regulations on financial instruments,
applegrove
Jun 2016
#2
Oh my god. It is PNAC all over again.... the movement that dare not speaketh its name.
applegrove
Jun 2016
#4
That's ok, your stances on these issues has the same effect on the rest of us.
Dustlawyer
Jun 2016
#53
The EU should have been a little less authoritative toward Greece, instead they kicked Greece
Rex
Jun 2016
#5
Your first sentence is highly disputable. The immigration is primarily from Eastern Europe
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#15
No, it hasn't been about Muslims. Perhaps you saw the word 'immigrants' (and sometimes 'Trump')
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#22
It might well have had the same outcome without the Middle Eastern turmoil
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#34
Hudson doesn't even live here. He's riding his own hobbyhorse far worse than Pilger
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#38
One of your 'big boys' is saying Hillary armed ISIS, and is attacking Obama
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#47
I'm a god-damned radical socialist and even I have been called a neo-liberal...
Odin2005
Jun 2016
#48
John Oliver's 15 minute takedown of Brexit is not to be missed. Murdoch soppressed it...
Hekate
Jun 2016
#27
The Conservatives in the UK were working with Europe to try and get brilliant and comprehensive
applegrove
Jun 2016
#40
Wow, I think you literally hit every square of the nouveau-gauche buzzword bingo card there
Recursion
Jun 2016
#44
EU is just big government. They made some unpopular decisions in the past 3 years so Britain left.
craigmatic
Jun 2016
#45
IF (a BIG IF) Brits voted Leave to reject Neoliberal Tyranny, they ain't seen nothing yet. Boris
pampango
Jun 2016
#46
Oh, for God's sake! Britain is more neoliberal than the rest of the EU!!!!!!!!!!!!
DetlefK
Jun 2016
#55
What is the objective and peer-reviewed evidence that leads you to this faith-based premise?
LanternWaste
Jun 2016
#56