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In reply to the discussion: The semantics of gun control... [View all]beevul
(12,194 posts)153. Did I mistake you for someone who uses the terms ammosexual and gun humper?
I'm a gun control pusher. "I got ya gun control over here for $5", "get cha gun control". Just that, that calling me a "pusher" lets me know that you are not on the level to actually talk to, there is no way any kind of logical or rational discussion is going to happen between us.
Did I mistake you for someone who uses the terms ammosexual and gun humper? If so, My mistake, but its an easy mistake to make, as I'm sure you understand, given the behavior of some of those on your side of the issue.
You could surprise me, I mean actually the majority of Americans want more gun control http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx but ya got your narrative so instead you call me a pusher instead of actually having a rational discussion with facts and numbers and such things that are dangerous to you.
Support for gun control is a mile wide and a millimeter deep.
A lot of us even have guns and cant understand the disconnect between what it takes to have guns versus a car. ID=gun, Drivers license, insurance, taxes, registration, testing = car.
Wrong. Drivers license, insurance, taxes, registration, testing does NOT = car. It = authorization to use a car in public. No drivers license insurance registration tax or testing is required for simple ownership, or for a vehicle not used on public roads. And theres no background check. An equivalent already exists too. Its called concealed carry. Somehow, I don't think that's what you had in mind. No, I'm pretty sure you meant, was applying the same requirements to simply own a gun, as are required to drive a car in public.
No dice. Driving in public is a privilege, owning a gun is a constitutionally protected fundamental civil right.
Your only argument is the constitution, the same one that said slaves were fine.
I could swear that the constitution didn't originally mention slavery at all.
There is no moral argument, no intellectual argument, no argument based on logic at all that guns cant be more controlled.
That's your opinion, and far from fact. In my view, there is no morale argument, there is no intellectual argument, no argument based on logic at all, for making the lives of the innocent more difficult, for zero exchange in public safety, at the cost of the rights of the innocent. The majority of proposals I've seen do that, and people like you know it, and just say "well, we have to start somewhere".
Just strict (not really) adherence to words on a paper that itself gave the power to change as the times do.
Like I said: There isn't enough of you gun control folks to make a big enough "we" to get that (amending the constitution) done.
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I think there is plenty that can be done...when in most cities, less then 1% of the people
jmg257
Jul 2016
#152
Exactly. You mean there's NOTHING we can do? I can't buy that for a nanosecond.
calimary
Jul 2016
#154
"When those are detected by law enforcement they generally have some repercussions."
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#106
So now at least 40,000,000 refuse to comply. They are all heavily armed and you have instantly made
MohRokTah
Jul 2016
#51
If the experiences of CO, NY and VT (hardly rock-ribbed conservative bastions, they) serve as
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#70
"now is just a matter of getting that used 3D printer on Craigslist and downloading a program." lol.
morningfog
Jul 2016
#57
The problem is a very small number of individuals who are determined to act.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#9
Were there too many guns in France when the Charlie Hebdo office was attacked?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#13
How do you hope to effectively deal with anything, let alone something as profound as gun
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#23
Threefold - the sheer number of people in the US who don't mind killing other people...
jmg257
Jul 2016
#127
What about all the places with the ease of acccess and little to no gun violence?
beevul
Jul 2016
#132
Yup. I likes to shoot things and killum dead. That's my right like it done said in that
Photographer
Jul 2016
#140
That's that same constitution thingy what lets you post banal non-answers.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#143
And another reason is people crafting the proposed laws are clueless about what they try to regulate
Lee-Lee
Jul 2016
#14
I used to sell them back in the 80's and was a sport shooter since before you were born
Photographer
Jul 2016
#39
I'm now seeing the same tactic used regarding healthcare. "Those nurses don't know the difference ..
Scuba
Jul 2016
#16
Way simple then - ban ammunition reserve holders* with a capacity of 30+ rounds.
jmg257
Jul 2016
#21
Bull. Just ban semi-autos, or write the basics of legislation and let a gun nut with integrity
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#47
semi-automatic weapons are the most popular and numerous type of firearm in this country.
MohRokTah
Jul 2016
#50
Who cares what lethal weapons are the most popular. Slavery was popular, smoking was popular, etc.,
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#53
Slavery was only ended by a bloody war. I don't imagine you'll be joining a 'war on guns'...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2016
#54
Not sure you are correct, but we can start with banning future production and restricting how many
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#58
Do you think the Stevens Dissent in Heller will become the interpretation of the 2nd?
jmg257
Jul 2016
#68
Actually, the legislation says people under 45. I'd like to see all the old white wingers have to
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#73
Pistols and rifle are both viable weapons of the militias, which I have no problem relating
jmg257
Jul 2016
#75
If you want to go by a point at each word interpretation of Constitution, you gotta do it with Code.
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#79
They may indeed...but I don't get too worried or all worked up over it - I have lots of hobbies!
jmg257
Jul 2016
#83
Not really, states will get tough on guns and Supreme Court will uphold those laws.
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#84
As I'm sure you are aware, that has already begun, but not all states are NY, CT or CA.
jmg257
Jul 2016
#85
Ban the most commonly class of firearm sold in the world in direct violation of the Heller ruling?
Statistical
Jul 2016
#74
You also need to look closer at Austrailia and UK laws. Actually, getting guns out of the hands of
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#81
And your argument just left out a key specific about this issue and it is both moral and technical.
MohRokTah
Jul 2016
#48
"You see it every day here at DU---and it needs to stop." Ask the Admins. awaits your request:
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2016
#43
Dont believe I have ever used those words. I tend to not use deragatory words instead of logic.
Eko
Jul 2016
#159
You are welcome to try and change the Constitution, and then pile on the restrictions.
Eleanors38
Jul 2016
#149
Opinions are wonderful to form, but you need to be a bit more specific if you want to articulate,
jmg257
Jul 2016
#65
Gotcha - and understood. But there is often much discussion over Assault Weapon Bans,
jmg257
Jul 2016
#77
Cartridge limits are silly. An experienced operator can fire almost continuously,
jack_krass
Jul 2016
#67
I don't believe that, but hey if it makes you feel good, go ahead and ban the
jack_krass
Jul 2016
#113