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Puregonzo1188

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32. But he strikes a chord with other people as well. People who should be (and are our allies).
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 02:54 PM
Dec 2011

Someone I know who is very leftist, a supporter of Occupy Wall Street, was inspired to get her PhD in theology by Cornel West and African-American just started posting pro-Ron Paul for President stuff on her facebook. Why? Because of his comments on Bradley Manning.

I am not saying she's right and I suspect she doesn't know the truth about all of Ron Paul's positions, particularly his views on race, and if she does I think she's being short sighted. But we can't just right off all of his supporters as racist in the Montana Militia--they aren't.

I am not Ron Paul supporter by any stretch of the imagination--I am gay, a Marxist, and an atheist and find his homophobia, bigotry, Christian fundamentalism, and economic ideology deeply unsettling. But at the same time I can empathize with OP's sentiment, though I find it very poorly worded and deeply troubling in some parts, point about how are we going to address this issues and people who support Ron Paul because of them? We need to have some better answers then derided people and calling them racist or lunatics or what not--since that's not going to work and we seriously need to nip this Ron Paul shit in the bud.

The simple problem is that Ron Paul's appeal to some on the left is not entirely the result of uninformed individuals, but a larger failure of the left that no one wants to address since it's a pretty inconvenient truth.

Instead of spending our time rallying to the defense of a corporate politician and a failed political system we should have been building a broad-based progressive movement for economic justice for all, and against imperialism.

And maybe it's about time we have an honest discussion about Israel.

I hope you don't actually believe any of that shit. TheWraith Dec 2011 #1
Unrec. Why promote republicans here? FSogol Dec 2011 #2
Who's Promoting Paul? NashVegas Dec 2011 #17
It very carefully doesn't, but it does try to justify his views/followers (poorly) as reasonable. PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #19
Paul strikes a chord alright Cali_Democrat Dec 2011 #3
"the issue of our basic fucking democracy addressed and addressed now" arcane1 Dec 2011 #4
I second that question. What is Paul saying about "basic fucking democracy"? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #23
Another Pro-Paul OP? MineralMan Dec 2011 #5
People who are tired of talking about women's rights, gay rights, minority rights...? peacebird Dec 2011 #6
A hearty unrec--and to quote EarlG, "Fuck Ron Paul." nt MADem Dec 2011 #7
Agreed. But not literally - he has spread his toxic DNA too far already LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #42
Sigh I have the same worries as well. But no one on the left seems willing to do what it will take Puregonzo1188 Dec 2011 #8
On One Hand NashVegas Dec 2011 #14
So why are DC Dems trying to shut it down? abelenkpe Dec 2011 #25
I'm not a DC Dem; I'm a Brit to the left of almost all Dems... LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #47
I don't recall Kucinich ever leading any of the polls in 2004 Hugabear Dec 2011 #9
Ron Paul is a racist, homophobic asshole. hifiguy Dec 2011 #10
ron paul was RIGHT... MarianJack Dec 2011 #11
Corporate rights over human rights is basic democracy? ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #12
Paul strikes a chord with the most selfish of our society. PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #13
aPaulogists! MarianJack Dec 2011 #15
But he strikes a chord with other people as well. People who should be (and are our allies). Puregonzo1188 Dec 2011 #32
I don't think they are ALL racists in the Montana Militia, I think some are deliberately ignorant. PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #36
I think you're confusing "hyperventilating" and "discussing". LanternWaste Dec 2011 #16
And They Are Wonderful, Glorious Wedge Issues NashVegas Dec 2011 #21
Ron Paul's constitutional claim is that fed Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid must be abolished muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #27
Still claiming you don't support him? UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #39
It's surreal this far out from 2008. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #49
Wow... Spazito Dec 2011 #18
WTF? Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #20
LIBERTY!* PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #22
You're really trying to compare Dean and Paul? Scootaloo Dec 2011 #24
Jesus Baldheaded Christ WilliamPitt Dec 2011 #26
To quote EarlG William769 Dec 2011 #28
Most Ron Paul supporters I've encountered Kermitt Gribble Dec 2011 #29
You're tired of talking about women, gay, and minority rights? frazzled Dec 2011 #30
If they are sick of talking about gay rights, they could just stop fighting them, it is they who Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #31
bullshit OKNancy Dec 2011 #33
Sorry, No Sale. nt Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #34
The only people Paul strikes a chord with are the Birchers... Major Nikon Dec 2011 #35
Oh, jeez. Iggo Dec 2011 #37
I'm not freaking out over Ron Paul -- but I do not want to see his supporters on DU. moriah Dec 2011 #38
This is a Democratic website. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #40
How do you propose talking about "our basic fucking democracy" EFerrari Dec 2011 #41
bigotry and greed arely staircase Dec 2011 #52
Chomsky said it best: arely staircase Dec 2011 #43
.... spanone Dec 2011 #44
So women's rights, gay rights and minority rights aren't "basic fucking democracy"? marmar Dec 2011 #45
Poster Planted & Rotting. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #46
By that, you mean... WilliamPitt Dec 2011 #48
Something very like that. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #51
No, he's just pining for the fjords cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #53
EarlG put some goods on the table. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #54
Basic fucking democracy? LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #50
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