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davidn3600

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79. Im not sure this is really leverage unless there actually is threat of a draft

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:25 AM

Dec 2016

This country is never going to do a military draft for a Vietnam-like war ever again. The political cost would be astronomical.

The only time you are going to see a draft is for WWIII.

And there is very little political steam behind ERA these days. That's the problem. Even when Democrats gained power in 2009, they didn't push for an ERA, they instead passed Lilly Ledbetter. The ERA barely gets mentioned even in Democratic debates. Hillary only rarely brought it up despite being the first female nominee for president. Even if Hillary had won and Democrats retook Congress, I doubt ERA would make any progress at all.

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The White House Says Women Should Be Required to Register for the Military Draft [View all] guillaumeb Dec 2016 OP

I think it's about equality metroins Dec 2016 #1

Agreed. charlyvi Dec 2016 #3

oh I don't know Skittles Dec 2016 #4

Isn't this a step towards it? metroins Dec 2016 #11

no Skittles Dec 2016 #57

Congress metroins Dec 2016 #63

long debate Skittles Dec 2016 #64

Oh, brother. We should have mandatory universal draft. Hortensis Dec 2016 #96

Equal pay first, yes. n/t whathehell Dec 2016 #105

The military already does that "equal pay" thing. MADem Dec 2016 #203

While I get your point. Being a vet, I have to point out NWCorona Dec 2016 #148

Excellent point. cwydro Dec 2016 #174

A better question might be: guillaumeb Dec 2016 #7

It's your thread metroins Dec 2016 #18

I prefer to let it develop. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #40

I'm not sure what I think metroins Dec 2016 #41

Thank you for your contribution. eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #43

We have grown numb to sending our sons to kill and die.. SQUEE Dec 2016 #15

I don't think that's it metroins Dec 2016 #23

And we should be drafting men and women. Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #31

More likely a war to employ the large number of people guillaumeb Dec 2016 #44

Then pass the fucking equal rights amendment or shut up elehhhhna Dec 2016 #70

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #84

I can't pass anything metroins Dec 2016 #142

I am posting once since the primaries were over MuseRider Dec 2016 #155

No one has been drafted since the early seventies. MADem Dec 2016 #202

I know a better way to make it equal. Get rid of it! n/t kcr Dec 2016 #73

Because nobody should be "in the draft." LWolf Dec 2016 #95

Agreed, they have fought to be treestar Dec 2016 #101

I don't know any women who fought to be forced by men to kill and die without their consent. stone space Dec 2016 #182

That's a different thing IMO as women want to be treestar Dec 2016 #199

Very funny Turbineguy Dec 2016 #2

The 1% ALWAYS send the 99% to fight wars for the 1%. eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #8

I was thinking of Turbineguy Dec 2016 #14

I am unfamiliar with that reference. eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #16

It was a program to get Recruiters to go to Turbineguy Dec 2016 #20

Far too many recruits? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #27

Okay, now I get it. Iggo Dec 2016 #197

Why did he wait until after the election TheWayitIs Dec 2016 #5

I agree philosslayer Dec 2016 #9

I doubt this issue is high on anyone's list. NobodyHere Dec 2016 #25

I totally support requiring women to register dhol82 Dec 2016 #6

But everybody would not be in the mix. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #10

I think there should be no exclusions dhol82 Dec 2016 #26

Or children of politicians? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #30

They should then be examined by physicians of the opposite party. dhol82 Dec 2016 #33

the draft and registering for the draft are two separate questions. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #67

Which simply moves the "unequal treatment" bar down a bit. eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #115

I would favor universal service limited to domestic areas only. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #19

I had no problem with opening up combat roles for women Flavius Aetius Dec 2016 #13

I'm fine with women in infantry, but they should have to meet the same standard Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #35

In principle i agree Flavius Aetius Dec 2016 #49

You do realize that exoskeleton technology along with MADem Dec 2016 #85

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I think they should take care of the rape problem in the military first gollygee Dec 2016 #17

What if they took care of the "invading problem" with our politicians, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #22

That would be useful gollygee Dec 2016 #29

exactly. bdamomma Dec 2016 #144

I've been in favor of this for decades. Equal rights demand equal responsibilities. MADem Dec 2016 #198

Lets pass the Equal Rights Amendment first of all. milestogo Dec 2016 #21

I remember that one. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #24

We were one state short dhol82 Dec 2016 #32

She might be. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #39

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Except when it affects politicians and rich people. eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #36

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No, they don't. The penalties you have set up are for ordinary folks. stone space Dec 2016 #94

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You don't have a right to force your guns on women. stone space Dec 2016 #104

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Since they can and do pay out of pocket, they don't face the same requirement. suffragette Dec 2016 #145

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It's not truly the same requirement if consequences differ. suffragette Dec 2016 #163

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When loopholes are available to rich people, but not to poor, then the requirement is not equal. suffragette Dec 2016 #176

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Tying penalties to financial resources necessary to those outside the rich creates an inequal suffragette Dec 2016 #181

Men forcing guns on women is not "equality". stone space Dec 2016 #83

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This is an attempt to deny women an education. That is what this is all about. (nt) stone space Dec 2016 #90

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Can you prpomise that women who refuse to register will be allowed access to education? stone space Dec 2016 #93

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So you fully support denying women access to education if they refuse to pick up a gun, huh? stone space Dec 2016 #103

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You are advocating denying women an education. stone space Dec 2016 #143

C.O. status is still in effect. SQUEE Dec 2016 #156

Simply not true. stone space Dec 2016 #158

But there is for service. SQUEE Dec 2016 #164

You claimed that there was a CO status available for Draft Registration. stone space Dec 2016 #168

No sir, I did not. SQUEE Dec 2016 #171

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By attacking their right to an education. stone space Dec 2016 #165

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Should men be denied an education for not picking up a gun? NickB79 Dec 2016 #150

There's a reason why I still don't have a BA to this day. (nt) stone space Dec 2016 #151

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Fuck that. Pass the ERA and we'll register. smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #34

Not much likelihood of that. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #37

Then fuck women going to war. smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #38

No ERA, high chance of getting raped, but apparently that's no big deal gollygee Dec 2016 #42

And that applies to both sexes. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #46

Women have all of that AND a very high chance of being sexually assaulted gollygee Dec 2016 #48

I have read numerous stories about rape in the military. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #50

The statement "All lives matter" in response to "Black lives matter" gollygee Dec 2016 #51

Please point them out. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #52

thank you Skittles Dec 2016 #59

Some of the best Officers I served under were women.... Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #53

Actually, many still will not. They still haven't figured out how to get men to register. stone space Dec 2016 #82

equality is a good thing, a responsible and overdue goal bigtree Dec 2016 #45

Which effectively closes off this avenue. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #47

well, they'll probably move forward with this bigtree Dec 2016 #54

I would hope that such a move would open a long overdue discussion guillaumeb Dec 2016 #55

Well, Doreen Dec 2016 #56

Agreed, if equal pay and opportunity and treatment were actually offered. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #58

how about equal pay and opportunity first? Skittles Dec 2016 #60

This will deny many women an education, under the ongoing Pacifist Purges of the Solomon Amendment. stone space Dec 2016 #61

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A PhD. That's not an undergraduate degree. stone space Dec 2016 #92

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You guessed wrong. stone space Dec 2016 #136

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Have I suggested denying anybody an education? stone space Dec 2016 #161

FUCK NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #62

I've always thought it would be better to get men out of war, than NRQ891 Dec 2016 #121

So have I. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #137

Either everyone registers, or no one does. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #65

Not until the ERA passes, giving women equal rights to men. pnwmom Dec 2016 #71

There is a difference between registration and a draft. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #72

The ERA will help everyone who doesn't currently benefit pnwmom Dec 2016 #74

Personally, I don't think we should have a registration for the thing, at all. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #76

I don't how they're doing it, but they've been handling pnwmom Dec 2016 #77

I suspect that's not entirely true. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #78

Im not sure this is really leverage unless there actually is threat of a draft davidn3600 Dec 2016 #79

and WWIII wouldn't be fought with infantry, it would be fought with thermonuclear bombs. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #80

I'm with you. Ilsa Dec 2016 #172

It might be a good excuse treestar Dec 2016 #201

Not until the ERA passes, and not until our female troops are protected. n/t demmiblue Dec 2016 #66

Given the general level of misogyny, and given the stories about sexua violence in the military, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #116

If you require women to register for the draft... Laffy Kat Dec 2016 #68

Still waiting on that one. Still waiting for the GOP dominated states guillaumeb Dec 2016 #117

I've got a better idea: SomethingNew Dec 2016 #69

Welcome to DU, and I agree. It is nonsense. eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #118

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #147

I'm on board. nt Ilsa Dec 2016 #177

How about fixing the military's rape problem first? LeftyMom Dec 2016 #75

How about fixing the rape problem in the entire country? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #119

Don't register! Refuse and resist! You have a right to say "NO"! stone space Dec 2016 #81

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A lot of us did just that during the Vietnam war. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #120

Christians WILL NEVER ALLOW IT HAB911 Dec 2016 #97

Please qualify that as "Fundamentalist" or RW Christians, whathehell Dec 2016 #106

Nothing wrong with that treestar Dec 2016 #99

And what if the US concentrated on rebuilding itself rather than military force guillaumeb Dec 2016 #123

I agree but that's another issue treestar Dec 2016 #200

No registration for anyone. alarimer Dec 2016 #107

Until the ERA is passed, women do not have a legal basis for joining the military. ancianita Dec 2016 #108

Recommended. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #125

Combine that with universal voter registration at 18, MineralMan Dec 2016 #109

This! LP2K12 Dec 2016 #110

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But that might encourage voting MM!!! guillaumeb Dec 2016 #126

It is every parents dream of burying both their sons and daughters AngryAmish Dec 2016 #112

My personal winner so far. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #128

It will actually have a good effect: make us resistant to wars mainer Dec 2016 #122

However, the US has literally always beens at war. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #129

I've always thought it would be better to get men out of war, than NRQ891 Dec 2016 #124

But war is the most used tactic in the US arsenal. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #130

'you've come a long way, baby' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #127

Equal rights to be used in war, but treated as second class at home? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #131

what I said was 'get people out of war, not into it' nt NRQ891 Dec 2016 #139

Everyone, or no one. Orsino Dec 2016 #132

Agreed. No one. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #133

I would rather build a country... Orsino Dec 2016 #134

A nice observation about "involuntary servitude". guillaumeb Dec 2016 #138

The first 22 female officers sworn in after graduation from WP in June for active combat role... Historic NY Dec 2016 #140

Which is a sign of progress that women are now, in 2016, finally considered "fit" guillaumeb Dec 2016 #141

Sure why not. But first... Nonhlanhla Dec 2016 #146

All excellent points, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #149

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I recommend Ibuprofen for the headache Nonhlanhla Dec 2016 #189

Will they issue camo slings for nursing babies Warpy Dec 2016 #152

The baby in front will balance the pack in the back. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #154

It has never been fair, not since the Middle Ages Warpy Dec 2016 #178

An interesting family story. Thanks. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #183

I agree with this. If we are going to be a warring nation, we should all share the burden. Squinch Dec 2016 #179

Or, we could decide that we wish to follow the example of Sweden and guillaumeb Dec 2016 #184

Yes, but we would need a lot more support for a move to that position than we currently have. Squinch Dec 2016 #185

Yes, that is a possibility. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #186

Because so few really pay for it directly. We just send those kids out to do our dirty work Squinch Dec 2016 #187

And the wounded veterans pay for it with shattered lives, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #188

Yep. But so many of us don't ever have to see that. And we treat them like shit when Squinch Dec 2016 #190

John Mccain recently introduced a bill to voucherize the VA. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #192

While you are, first of all, paying soldiers so little that they qualify for food stamps, and then Squinch Dec 2016 #194

A friend of mine was in the Marine Corps for a few years. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #195

Good! Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #191

I am not as confident as you. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #193

The psychopaths at the top won't care, but more regular citizens won't like it. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #196