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CK_John

(10,005 posts) Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:20 AM Dec 2016

Are you an "automation denier"? [View all]

Defined as: In the next 4 yrs automation will replace 50% of the current workforce, also 50% of the universities will not take in any new students.

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	Automation will not be a problem.
	1 (7%)
	I believe automation will cause some proplems.
	11 (79%)
	Automation will be even worse than defined.
	2 (14%)
	No opinion.
	0 (0%)
	2 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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Are you an "automation denier"? [View all] CK_John Dec 2016 OP

Automation is real and will be a major influence on the future of humanity randr Dec 2016 #1

It is a big "problem" in that it will continue to displace workers... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #2

Where is he getting the 50% figure from? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #4

That part of it is probably hyperbole... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #7

That's his schtick. Codeine Dec 2016 #47

Automation is bigger than car/trucks. CK_John Dec 2016 #48

It is nonsensical. duffyduff Dec 2016 #59

The companies that IMPLEMENT the automation should not be able to dump employees on the markket uponit7771 Dec 2016 #3

IMO, this would help. CK_John Dec 2016 #6

Does the term Automation Denier kind of suggest that the answer is yes? el_bryanto Dec 2016 #5

IMO, I may have coined the phrase. CK_John Dec 2016 #10

Your time-table is way too fast. Not 4 years, more like 20. DetlefK Dec 2016 #8

It is just fantasy. duffyduff Dec 2016 #56

Yes, there will be an equilibrium between workers and robots, but how will it be achieved? DetlefK Dec 2016 #67

Report: Google Shelves Self-Driving Car.The company will instead lend its software to established CK_John Dec 2016 #68

In the future, humans, many, won't even be cogs in the production machine. This will throw RKP5637 Dec 2016 #9

In the next four year? Not going to happen. brooklynite Dec 2016 #11

I believe the 50% figure but not the 4 year timeframe Amishman Dec 2016 #26

Amara's Law FarCenter Dec 2016 #12

And what are the short and long runs exactly? SubjectiveLife78 Dec 2016 #14

I would think that 1 to 5 years is short run and 5 to 20 is long run FarCenter Dec 2016 #17

You had multiple ops detailing why autonomous vehicles would determine the past election. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #13

Indeed. Seems the "automation deniers" have a much better track record than the "automation hype" Chathamization Dec 2016 #24

I asked our candidates to address the driverless car and none of them did and none won. CK_John Dec 2016 #25

You said it would be an October surprise that would throw the election. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #27

None of our candidates came to my house for a nerf gun fight either, and none won. hughee99 Dec 2016 #33

So where do the 50% and 4 years figures come from? Silent3 Dec 2016 #15

I look at the Uber testing in Pitt,PA and Volvo testing in Spain since 2012. CK_John Dec 2016 #30

So that's your guestimate Bradical79 Dec 2016 #43

When that opinion is published in a peer-reviewed economics journal... Silent3 Dec 2016 #45

It's ironic that there are automatic programs that correct spelling errors. NightWatcher Dec 2016 #16

Next decade perhaps..but we ought to be shaping policy to prepare for it.. JHan Dec 2016 #18

Policy isn't going to do it... it's going to take an economic paradigm shift JCMach1 Dec 2016 #21

agreed.. JHan Dec 2016 #22

I should have said... policy alone... the world is currently burying its head in the sand JCMach1 Dec 2016 #23

With a time line a bit longer than the OP suggests, the way I think about automation... Silent3 Dec 2016 #60

That is my goal to get people to see the problem and start looking CK_John Dec 2016 #35

What surprises me is how many people are oblivious to the past bhikkhu Dec 2016 #19

I agree, but your timetable is wrong Calculating Dec 2016 #20

Nobody can know the timetable for sure SubjectiveLife78 Dec 2016 #29

But it is here already in CK_John Dec 2016 #38

You overstate it as now. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #39

The only problem is to change every state driving, insurance, and liability laws. CK_John Dec 2016 #41

Automation will be a factor just like mechanization was in agriculture. A liberal society can deal pampango Dec 2016 #28

Except it's not quite the same SubjectiveLife78 Dec 2016 #31

A liberal society in which most of the work is done by robots will take care of people pampango Dec 2016 #36

That's depending on an individual solution to a structural problem. HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #34

I agree with that. We do not live to work; we work to live. If we can live without working pampango Dec 2016 #37

The Republicans will have to deal with it. joshcryer Dec 2016 #46

I give it ten years bravenak Dec 2016 #32

I think automation as a problem is overblown. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #40

Reminds me of a clean coal advert. CK_John Dec 2016 #44

Jared Bernstein also has a good piece on this. Seems like most economists don't agree with the hype Chathamization Dec 2016 #49

He is just giving his opinion and doesn't think its a problem, I disagree. CK_John Dec 2016 #50

It's not just "his opinion." Productivity growth looks at output per worker, and it's low now Chathamization Dec 2016 #52

So your a denier as per defined in the OP. CK_John Dec 2016 #55

Sure, if you want to label people who agree with the experts as "deniers," then I'm a denier. Chathamization Dec 2016 #57

No but the folks incessantly posting about it seem thrilled... tenderfoot Dec 2016 #42

No problem... all the jobs will be cenetered around the automation jack_krass Dec 2016 #51

Do you think that things will never change? Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #53

This is just sci-fi garbage. duffyduff Dec 2016 #54

Your totally looking backward, I'm concerned about the coming 4 yrs. CK_John Dec 2016 #58

"Denier" is a word used by those under psyops and those participating in them. Shandris Dec 2016 #61

Whatever, making decisions is very difficult. CK_John Dec 2016 #62

...pardon? Shandris Dec 2016 #63

I was responding to your under psyops and I pointed out I gave a well defined CK_John Dec 2016 #65

Good thing I have a computer science degree. backscatter712 Dec 2016 #64

Nope... You'll be designing them... programming can be done off shore.. be part of the design team uponit7771 Dec 2016 #66