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duffyduff

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56. It is just fantasy.

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:38 PM

Dec 2016

There has always been automation, but you cannot have too much of it because robots do not consume products.

In any case, automation has nothing to do with jobs being gone.

It is neolib bullshit.

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Are you an "automation denier"? [View all] CK_John Dec 2016 OP

Automation is real and will be a major influence on the future of humanity randr Dec 2016 #1

It is a big "problem" in that it will continue to displace workers... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #2

Where is he getting the 50% figure from? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #4

That part of it is probably hyperbole... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #7

That's his schtick. Codeine Dec 2016 #47

Automation is bigger than car/trucks. CK_John Dec 2016 #48

It is nonsensical. duffyduff Dec 2016 #59

The companies that IMPLEMENT the automation should not be able to dump employees on the markket uponit7771 Dec 2016 #3

IMO, this would help. CK_John Dec 2016 #6

Does the term Automation Denier kind of suggest that the answer is yes? el_bryanto Dec 2016 #5

IMO, I may have coined the phrase. CK_John Dec 2016 #10

Your time-table is way too fast. Not 4 years, more like 20. DetlefK Dec 2016 #8

It is just fantasy. duffyduff Dec 2016 #56

Yes, there will be an equilibrium between workers and robots, but how will it be achieved? DetlefK Dec 2016 #67

Report: Google Shelves Self-Driving Car.The company will instead lend its software to established CK_John Dec 2016 #68

In the future, humans, many, won't even be cogs in the production machine. This will throw RKP5637 Dec 2016 #9

In the next four year? Not going to happen. brooklynite Dec 2016 #11

I believe the 50% figure but not the 4 year timeframe Amishman Dec 2016 #26

Amara's Law FarCenter Dec 2016 #12

And what are the short and long runs exactly? SubjectiveLife78 Dec 2016 #14

I would think that 1 to 5 years is short run and 5 to 20 is long run FarCenter Dec 2016 #17

You had multiple ops detailing why autonomous vehicles would determine the past election. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #13

Indeed. Seems the "automation deniers" have a much better track record than the "automation hype" Chathamization Dec 2016 #24

I asked our candidates to address the driverless car and none of them did and none won. CK_John Dec 2016 #25

You said it would be an October surprise that would throw the election. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #27

None of our candidates came to my house for a nerf gun fight either, and none won. hughee99 Dec 2016 #33

So where do the 50% and 4 years figures come from? Silent3 Dec 2016 #15

I look at the Uber testing in Pitt,PA and Volvo testing in Spain since 2012. CK_John Dec 2016 #30

So that's your guestimate Bradical79 Dec 2016 #43

When that opinion is published in a peer-reviewed economics journal... Silent3 Dec 2016 #45

It's ironic that there are automatic programs that correct spelling errors. NightWatcher Dec 2016 #16

Next decade perhaps..but we ought to be shaping policy to prepare for it.. JHan Dec 2016 #18

Policy isn't going to do it... it's going to take an economic paradigm shift JCMach1 Dec 2016 #21

agreed.. JHan Dec 2016 #22

I should have said... policy alone... the world is currently burying its head in the sand JCMach1 Dec 2016 #23

With a time line a bit longer than the OP suggests, the way I think about automation... Silent3 Dec 2016 #60

That is my goal to get people to see the problem and start looking CK_John Dec 2016 #35

What surprises me is how many people are oblivious to the past bhikkhu Dec 2016 #19

I agree, but your timetable is wrong Calculating Dec 2016 #20

Nobody can know the timetable for sure SubjectiveLife78 Dec 2016 #29

But it is here already in CK_John Dec 2016 #38

You overstate it as now. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #39

The only problem is to change every state driving, insurance, and liability laws. CK_John Dec 2016 #41

Automation will be a factor just like mechanization was in agriculture. A liberal society can deal pampango Dec 2016 #28

Except it's not quite the same SubjectiveLife78 Dec 2016 #31

A liberal society in which most of the work is done by robots will take care of people pampango Dec 2016 #36

That's depending on an individual solution to a structural problem. HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #34

I agree with that. We do not live to work; we work to live. If we can live without working pampango Dec 2016 #37

The Republicans will have to deal with it. joshcryer Dec 2016 #46

I give it ten years bravenak Dec 2016 #32

I think automation as a problem is overblown. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #40

Reminds me of a clean coal advert. CK_John Dec 2016 #44

Jared Bernstein also has a good piece on this. Seems like most economists don't agree with the hype Chathamization Dec 2016 #49

He is just giving his opinion and doesn't think its a problem, I disagree. CK_John Dec 2016 #50

It's not just "his opinion." Productivity growth looks at output per worker, and it's low now Chathamization Dec 2016 #52

So your a denier as per defined in the OP. CK_John Dec 2016 #55

Sure, if you want to label people who agree with the experts as "deniers," then I'm a denier. Chathamization Dec 2016 #57

No but the folks incessantly posting about it seem thrilled... tenderfoot Dec 2016 #42

No problem... all the jobs will be cenetered around the automation jack_krass Dec 2016 #51

Do you think that things will never change? Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #53

This is just sci-fi garbage. duffyduff Dec 2016 #54

Your totally looking backward, I'm concerned about the coming 4 yrs. CK_John Dec 2016 #58

"Denier" is a word used by those under psyops and those participating in them. Shandris Dec 2016 #61

Whatever, making decisions is very difficult. CK_John Dec 2016 #62

...pardon? Shandris Dec 2016 #63

I was responding to your under psyops and I pointed out I gave a well defined CK_John Dec 2016 #65

Good thing I have a computer science degree. backscatter712 Dec 2016 #64

Nope... You'll be designing them... programming can be done off shore.. be part of the design team uponit7771 Dec 2016 #66