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In reply to the discussion: Van Jones on Democratic Partys Future: The Clinton Days Are Over You Cant Run and Hide [View all]Alekzander
(479 posts)10. Actually, I think it is delusional to say his analysis borders on delusional. Van unlike many has
been traveling all through the rust belt & midwest visiting with the people because he did want an analysis of what happened, what exactly went wrong, why was so much of the information & polling off. He sit down with farm families & had dinner with them & discussed why they voted for Trump if they did, what was it about Clinton that did not resonate with them, was it all of the email coverage, etc., establishment. He talked with those in restaurants & spent a lot of the time i Ohio.
That series is on a number of media including CNN & is good.
Van Jones is far from delusional.
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Van Jones on Democratic Partys Future: The Clinton Days Are Over You Cant Run and Hide [View all]
Alekzander
Jan 2017
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I know & agree. It is hard to understand how the Dems let that part get away so easy. They should
Alekzander
Jan 2017
#5
The Dems don't have a set of Koch Brothers to catapult the propaganda, Alekzander. That seems
Hekate
Jan 2017
#97
When Democrats do something right, they apologize for it. When Republicans do something wrong...
yurbud
Jan 2017
#20
Actually, I think it is delusional to say his analysis borders on delusional. Van unlike many has
Alekzander
Jan 2017
#10
But Van seems to give Obama a pass on DNC and blames it all on HRC. Obama is the one who appointed
Justice
Jan 2017
#15
Agreed. There's lots and lots of bashing to go around in the present cluster fuck.
paleotn
Jan 2017
#19
I think it's safe to say that Hillary would have voted for the bill, but it's Jones
lapucelle
Jan 2017
#53
Bob Somerby was not defending the crime bill or the repeal of Glass-Steagall.
lapucelle
Jan 2017
#64
I wasn't aware of him, that's the most balanced commentary on those issues I've read.
JHan
Jan 2017
#66
Bob Somerby is daily read for me. He's a liberal critic of the liberal media,
lapucelle
Jan 2017
#101
I suspect he is on CNN for a reason-- because he will help undermine Dems
Fast Walker 52
Jan 2017
#45
That's funny, there i was thinking the rest of brass in Democratic party had it well in hand
nolabels
Jan 2017
#52
the fact is moderate Dems are the ones who've gotten elected President recently
Fast Walker 52
Jan 2017
#69
Yes, artful indeed. Because he says a lot of good things, while putting out crap like this (the OP)
Fast Walker 52
Jan 2017
#131
Jones was talking about current putative problems in the perception of the Democratic
lapucelle
Jan 2017
#58
What did we do wrong? Hard to say because the election was STOLEN. The Putin/Trump war room
AnotherMother4Peace
Jan 2017
#3
Funny, the Republicans seem to have a habit of not being on the American side...
paleotn
Jan 2017
#21
Absolutely agree. There is always a time for those to move on & that does not take away from the
Alekzander
Jan 2017
#8
I'm sure the Clinton's agree. Don't think it's in her plans to run again. Sanders OTOH. . . ?
brush
Jan 2017
#56
Yep. You know they've adopted right wing narratives when they've adopted GOP mangled grammar.
SunSeeker
Jan 2017
#74
More Progressive is the way to go. The Clinton's had a great run-time for some new blood.
jalan48
Jan 2017
#25
Definitely time for the Dem Party to move Right to capture those rural & red low information states
Hekate
Jan 2017
#95
a Clinton is so Scary that Republicans had to turn to Putin to keep her out of office. So sad. n/t
delisen
Jan 2017
#30
Sanders is talking about more sucking up to white working class men who voted for Trump
bigtree
Jan 2017
#32
Sanders is talking about more sucking up to white working class men who voted for Trump.
LenaBaby61
Jan 2017
#34
True there Warren. Gavin & Kamala are like CA, forward thinking, young & strong leaders that has
Alekzander
Jan 2017
#44
You make good points. One thing that should be remembered, though, outside the specific presidential
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2017
#47
Well, you & I are on the same page, agree totally especially the messaging part. Also, yes,
Alekzander
Jan 2017
#57
he has led on issues like marriage equality and cannabis legalization. Ahead of the curve.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2017
#134
Only supported Clinton in primaries/general cause she was choice left after O'Malley
KittyWampus
Jan 2017
#46
Now we have a leadership vacuum, but that also provides an opportunity for us to decide what we
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2017
#48
Warren that is correct like how the Brooklyn Clinton Headquarters ignored the campaign workers on
Alekzander
Jan 2017
#61
Jones is mostly correct, but it remains to be seen how much $$$ the Clinton Foundation will be able
aikoaiko
Jan 2017
#49
You don't have a single damned clue what the Clinton Foundation actually does; do you?
Maru Kitteh
Jan 2017
#70
The fact of HRC for the most votes on the primaries and the most votes in the
Thinkingabout
Jan 2017
#60
Bill Clinton's influence on the party resulted in winning the popular vote 6 of the last 7 elections
stevenleser
Jan 2017
#82
We lost in 2000, 2004, and now 2016. And that's ignoring state-level results, which have been worse.
killbotfactory
Jan 2017
#103
Stop trying to use melodrama to try to overcome facts. It makes you look silly and it won't work.
stevenleser
Jan 2017
#104
"a lot of Democrats simply undervote and leave the lower races blank on their ballots"
killbotfactory
Jan 2017
#107
And by the way, see Sunseeker's #93 above. We don't have to guess what the people want.
stevenleser
Jan 2017
#106
Yes, all of a sudden everyone thinks they are smarter than pollsters and can ignore the one piece
stevenleser
Jan 2017
#114
Wow. I never would have guessed how easy it would be for some to throw him under the bus.
aikoaiko
Jan 2017
#102
What you call throwing under the bus, I call disagreeing because he is wrong. No big deal. nt
stevenleser
Jan 2017
#105
Calling his point delusional, bizarre, RW talking points not throwing him under the bus?
aikoaiko
Jan 2017
#109
I would say his point is definitely bizarre given history. Disagree with delusional. Could be
stevenleser
Jan 2017
#110