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In reply to the discussion: Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence [View all]onenote
(42,911 posts)84. Your proposal for California to threaten secession was a nonsensical pipe dream
Last edited Mon Jan 9, 2017, 09:53 AM - Edit history (1)
Based on the idea that a threat that California almost certainly could not get its own citizens to support and that, even if they could, wouldn't cause the rest of the nation to do anything but force California to reconsider, would somehow scare the rest of the country into capitulating to that threat.
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Might have to think about that myself. Cali can stand on its own 6th biggest econ. in the world...
brush
Jan 2017
#28
'it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government!
elleng
Jan 2017
#2
Not petty. Just trying to correct the record for those who might think you were referring
onenote
Jan 2017
#95
I don't feel sorry at all for that traitor. Fu_k him and all of those white supremacists bastards.
brush
Jan 2017
#29
I repeat, fu_k all those white supremacist bastards. Being 99% of anything doesn't excuse it.
brush
Jan 2017
#37
You sound like you're defending it. Again, fu_k white supremacists then and fu_k Bannon and ...
brush
Jan 2017
#68
It'll probably take something like the republican recession of 2007 - 2009 or depression
ffr
Jan 2017
#16
California actually has a case for it if you think about it. Their votes don't even count in the ...
brush
Jan 2017
#31
Aww, you mean you have to convince most people that changed is needed? Yes, that's hard work.
X_Digger
Jan 2017
#53
I believe that fundamental changes to our system of government should req almost unanimous consent.
X_Digger
Jan 2017
#60
Don't like the logical conclusions your ill-thought-out proposals would create? Tough shit.
X_Digger
Jan 2017
#65
Not ONE amendment reformed a core antidemocratic feature in the Constitution...
eniwetok
Jan 2017
#74
So if they don't do something you want, they don't count? They're not "serious reform"??
X_Digger
Jan 2017
#75
Is your definition of "antidemocratic" like your definition of "reformproof"??
X_Digger
Jan 2017
#122
of the smallest 13 states (I assume thats where you get your "4% can block") 6 voted Democratic
Grey Lemercier
Jan 2017
#117
If you want a more democratic system you are going to have to move out of the US
Grey Lemercier
Jan 2017
#125
Your proposal for California to threaten secession was a nonsensical pipe dream
onenote
Jan 2017
#84
well I've eliminated the really stupid plans, which is something you ought to consider doing
onenote
Jan 2017
#88
What then are specific prohibitions that would re-interpret the conflict as illegal
LanternWaste
Jan 2017
#93
if the amendment formula isn't antidemocratic... please define what makes it democratic.
eniwetok
Jan 2017
#49
conversely... government WITHOUT the consent of the governed... is illegitimate n/t
eniwetok
Jan 2017
#50
And until the governed change the system, then this is a government with the consent
onenote
Jan 2017
#56
My "slavish" devotion isn't to the politics of 1787, it's to our particular constitutional system
onenote
Jan 2017
#104
This document is an "address of greviences" to his Majesty King George ...or indictment
Historic NY
Jan 2017
#32
It would be nice if the alternative to one kind of destructive government wasn't a different kind
yurbud
Jan 2017
#63