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X_Digger

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108. Free clue: it's right there in the name. United States.

Mon Jan 9, 2017, 10:50 PM

Jan 2017

We are a representative republic. A union of individual state governments.

Don Quixote, you've got some bigger windmills to tilt at, if you're trying to overturn a fundamental aspect of our government.

Lol, I didn't realize just how far you were out on that limb. Feel free to have the last word, I don't play with people espousing fringe ideas.

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Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence [View all] SCVDem Jan 2017 OP

Your point? NobodyHere Jan 2017 #1

The point? SCVDem Jan 2017 #10

you're swimming upstream, with the slavish, small-thinkers here. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #21

amen! eniwetok Jan 2017 #51

Might have to think about that myself. Cali can stand on its own 6th biggest econ. in the world... brush Jan 2017 #28

'it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government! elleng Jan 2017 #2

How do we do it? pangaia Jan 2017 #4

With patience and difficulty. elleng Jan 2017 #5

secede. there is nothing in the constitution that prohibits it. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #20

That didn't work well last time dumbcat Jan 2017 #24

The Supreme Court disagrees. onenote Jan 2017 #26

it's a tortured decision... eniwetok Jan 2017 #40

Every decision that someone disagrees with onenote Jan 2017 #44

have you even read Texas v or Heller? eniwetok Jan 2017 #45

Yes. Next question? onenote Jan 2017 #46

then please explain how it's not a tortured decision n/t eniwetok Jan 2017 #54

No thanks. As I said, every decision that one disagrees with is tortured onenote Jan 2017 #55

figures you can't back up your claim. n/t eniwetok Jan 2017 #58

Figures you can't figure out the point I'm making. onenote Jan 2017 #59

sure I do... eniwetok Jan 2017 #78

Thanks for proving my point. You "get" what you want to get. I get it. onenote Jan 2017 #79

Hey, embrace your antidemocratic beliefs!!! eniwetok Jan 2017 #82

pray tell, why wasn't there an amendment banning secession? eniwetok Jan 2017 #81

1869 case, not 1969. I know you'd want to correct that. onenote Jan 2017 #83

oops, we both messed up... it's 1868 eniwetok Jan 2017 #90

there's a particular level of irony in you posing that question... LanternWaste Jan 2017 #92

Not petty. Just trying to correct the record for those who might think you were referring onenote Jan 2017 #95

Why wasn't there an amendment to ban secession? eniwetok Jan 2017 #91

Jefferson Davis wanted a trial to establish the right to secession Yupster Jan 2017 #27

I don't feel sorry at all for that traitor. Fu_k him and all of those white supremacists bastards. brush Jan 2017 #29

Those white supremasist bastards Yupster Jan 2017 #34

I repeat, fu_k all those white supremacist bastards. Being 99% of anything doesn't excuse it. brush Jan 2017 #37

Even the majority of the most anti-slavery people Yupster Jan 2017 #66

You sound like you're defending it. Again, fu_k white supremacists then and fu_k Bannon and ... brush Jan 2017 #68

what about non-white people at the time? JonLP24 Jan 2017 #76

The Founders must have seen it as the treestar Jan 2017 #33

That's what the Confederates thought Yupster Jan 2017 #25

and yet there is NO prohibition against secession n/t eniwetok Jan 2017 #36

No, you are right Yupster Jan 2017 #69

texas v white tries to... eniwetok Jan 2017 #70

Madison wanted to add to the Constitution... eniwetok Jan 2017 #35

institute new government secession and form a new government. there it is nt msongs Jan 2017 #3

And this famous jurist....... suston96 Jan 2017 #6

Agreed. Game on. democratisphere Jan 2017 #7

he also wrote... 0rganism Jan 2017 #8

It'll probably take something like the republican recession of 2007 - 2009 or depression ffr Jan 2017 #16

heh heh; that's pretty much how it works. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #19

we sure as hell handmade34 Jan 2017 #9

I was looking for some threads about this article and see very little. badhair77 Jan 2017 #64

Followed by: sl8 Jan 2017 #11

We may have to return to a confederation. roamer65 Jan 2017 #12

We won't have any gov't if we don't do something about the environment. YOHABLO Jan 2017 #13

Amen to that! 2naSalit Jan 2017 #14

How'd that work out for the South? X_Digger Jan 2017 #15

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #18

I'm clever enough to know that proposing secession is an asinine idea. X_Digger Jan 2017 #22

California actually has a case for it if you think about it. Their votes don't even count in the ... brush Jan 2017 #31

Was Lincoln's war legal? eniwetok Jan 2017 #39

So you're really taking the side of Jefferson Davis, et al? X_Digger Jan 2017 #41

ROTF... even the Articles could be amended... if enough people eniwetok Jan 2017 #47

Aww, you mean you have to convince most people that changed is needed? Yes, that's hard work. X_Digger Jan 2017 #53

so you you believe 4% of the population should be able to stop all reforms eniwetok Jan 2017 #57

I believe that fundamental changes to our system of government should req almost unanimous consent. X_Digger Jan 2017 #60

RED HERRING ALERT!! eniwetok Jan 2017 #62

Don't like the logical conclusions your ill-thought-out proposals would create? Tough shit. X_Digger Jan 2017 #65

you're evading the math.... eniwetok Jan 2017 #71

"reformproof" ! 27 amendments. How's that math? X_Digger Jan 2017 #73

Not ONE amendment reformed a core antidemocratic feature in the Constitution... eniwetok Jan 2017 #74

So if they don't do something you want, they don't count? They're not "serious reform"?? X_Digger Jan 2017 #75

moving the goal post? eniwetok Jan 2017 #77

27 amendments is "virtually reformproof"? What kind of reality is that? X_Digger Jan 2017 #80

Hey sport... I'm not the one with the bizarre contradiction... eniwetok Jan 2017 #86

Wait, it's "virtually reformproof" but it's too easy? Make up your mind. X_Digger Jan 2017 #105

still having problems with the math? And do you know what "democracy" is? eniwetok Jan 2017 #106

Free clue: it's right there in the name. United States. X_Digger Jan 2017 #108

how soon we forget... eniwetok Jan 2017 #109

Yes, dear, you go ahead and tilt at that windmill. *pat *pat *pat n/t X_Digger Jan 2017 #110

EVASION ALERT!!! eniwetok Jan 2017 #112

Awfully far out on that limb, be careful. X_Digger Jan 2017 #118

there you go again.. eniwetok Jan 2017 #120

Is your definition of "antidemocratic" like your definition of "reformproof"?? X_Digger Jan 2017 #122

in the democratic world YOURS is the fringe idea eniwetok Jan 2017 #123

of the smallest 13 states (I assume thats where you get your "4% can block") 6 voted Democratic Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #117

it doesn't matter if it's probable... only if it's possible eniwetok Jan 2017 #119

antidemocratic government is insidious... eniwetok Jan 2017 #124

If you want a more democratic system you are going to have to move out of the US Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #125

the civic religion eniwetok Jan 2017 #127

Good points, totally agree Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #128

despicable accusation eniwetok Jan 2017 #48

Your proposal for California to threaten secession was a nonsensical pipe dream onenote Jan 2017 #84

Sure it's long shot... so WTF are your plans to force reform... eniwetok Jan 2017 #87

well I've eliminated the really stupid plans, which is something you ought to consider doing onenote Jan 2017 #88

thanks for the laughs! eniwetok Jan 2017 #89

Your sense of humor is interesting. onenote Jan 2017 #96

nothing happens from inaction and cowardice... eniwetok Jan 2017 #98

More like taking the side of Timothy Pickering. or William Lloyd Garison SQUEE Jan 2017 #97

What then are specific prohibitions that would re-interpret the conflict as illegal LanternWaste Jan 2017 #93

isn't the real question was secession illegal? eniwetok Jan 2017 #101

so now we're adopting Tea Party sloganeering? onenote Jan 2017 #17

sorry, the system can't be reformed in any basic way.... eniwetok Jan 2017 #38

Sorry, but not going to re-hash that debate with you onenote Jan 2017 #43

if the amendment formula isn't antidemocratic... please define what makes it democratic. eniwetok Jan 2017 #49

Apparently you didn't understand my post onenote Jan 2017 #52

sorry, I'm not a slavish adherent to a defective system... eniwetok Jan 2017 #61

What is the objective and peer-reviewed evidence LanternWaste Jan 2017 #94

I suspect you're not interested in evidence... eniwetok Jan 2017 #99

And this: kentuck Jan 2017 #23

conversely... government WITHOUT the consent of the governed... is illegitimate n/t eniwetok Jan 2017 #50

And until the governed change the system, then this is a government with the consent onenote Jan 2017 #56

amusing catch 22 eniwetok Jan 2017 #102

My "slavish" devotion isn't to the politics of 1787, it's to our particular constitutional system onenote Jan 2017 #104

TRANSLATION: eniwetok Jan 2017 #107

When did I suggest that you suggested we not have a constitutional system? onenote Jan 2017 #111

can't have it both ways... eniwetok Jan 2017 #113

what was the point of claiming... eniwetok Jan 2017 #114

Let me try, again, to explain onenote Jan 2017 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jan 2017 #30

This document is an "address of greviences" to his Majesty King George ...or indictment Historic NY Jan 2017 #32

the term of art is "petition for redress of grievances" Bucky Jan 2017 #100

That's ironic, LWolf Jan 2017 #42

It would be nice if the alternative to one kind of destructive government wasn't a different kind yurbud Jan 2017 #63

in our system the people can't learn from mistakes.... eniwetok Jan 2017 #72

our system doesn't care about the will of the people. those you refer to in your last sentence... yurbud Jan 2017 #85

I think that is the heart of the matter ymetca Jan 2017 #103

I think that just happened. Or will on the 20th. nt TeamPooka Jan 2017 #67

Will some DUers start embracing "2nd Amendment remedies"? hughee99 Jan 2017 #115

there are no second amendment "remedies" eniwetok Jan 2017 #121

K&R Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2017 #116