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Oneironaut

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210. Sorry, but the Democratic party does need trashing.

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Sun Jan 22, 2017, 09:10 AM

Jan 2017

It needs a literal trashing of the status quo, and new faces. We're losing badly because people don't trust us anymore. Michael Moore is absolutely right.

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I have had it with trashing Michael Moore [View all] jodymarie aimee Jan 2017 OP

Well said. Snackshack Jan 2017 #1

K&R. dchill Jan 2017 #2

Yep. I can't figure out why so many here seem to hate him. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2017 #3

Same reason... kirby Jan 2017 #7

Because the right has relentlessly targeted him for 30 years MrPurple Jan 2017 #97

A lot of DUers turned on MM when he predicted, in September, that Trump would win. CrispyQ Jan 2017 #131

I started to read that some time ago, and stopped. It bummed me out too much. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #156

Here's another great link. CrispyQ Jan 2017 #157

Thanks! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #158

I heard MM had pneumonia when the movie came out & missed some key showings. CrispyQ Jan 2017 #159

Wonder if it's on Amazon Prime? BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #160

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #190

K&R! mrgorth Jan 2017 #4

His speech started out great until he started to trash Democrats. Sorry you don't use the women's still_one Jan 2017 #5

It was like two different speeches! LisaM Jan 2017 #11

He's trying to light a fire under Dems ... Auggie Jan 2017 #12

That wasn't the forum for it, and his endorsement of DNC chair sure was literal. Let me make it cle still_one Jan 2017 #21

+1, we have 3 damn good candidates for running the DNC... no need to trash either one uponit7771 Jan 2017 #32

He can light a fire and be uplifting at the same time uponit7771 Jan 2017 #29

When he started to rant against the DNC, Ashley Judd cut him off, before he could try and still_one Jan 2017 #173

I thought he was rambling at that point; Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #197

I have seen him in person lots of times. JNelson6563 Jan 2017 #206

Like Trump apologists told us not to take Trump literally ? nt delisen Jan 2017 #53

Reality is if you attack supporters you may suffer backlash. Same for everyone n/t delisen Jan 2017 #56

The Kellyanne Conway defense. lapucelle Jan 2017 #178

Far be it for one to react the same way the crowd did. joshcryer Jan 2017 #17

Spot on! eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #187

+1! BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #186

There are some vocal members here TDale313 Jan 2017 #6

I left this site years ago because thejoker123 Jan 2017 #15

What was your old name?...nt SidDithers Jan 2017 #37

That's why I rarely post. Scruffy1 Jan 2017 #45

I think a large part of the problem is that those lived through the Depression, bringing forth Hestia Jan 2017 #138

Stick together. JudyM Jan 2017 #49

Things haven't changed melman Jan 2017 #143

It's a shame, this site could have really thejoker123 Jan 2017 #183

The status quo is what's brought us to our current catastrophe. Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #18

No, it's not oberliner Jan 2017 #41

Yeah, and what about the House, Senate, governeships, state legislatures, media Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #59

Good points oberliner Jan 2017 #63

I think Thomas Franks critiques are important but a post I made about this Akamai Jan 2017 #192

Amen and Hallelujah. Tatiana Jan 2017 #124

So true. mdbl Jan 2017 #181

+1000,000! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #191

Very well said. nt StubbornThings Jan 2017 #207

The House, the Senate, the Presidency and the Courts pscot Jan 2017 #66

There are a lot of reasons for that oberliner Jan 2017 #67

Republicans added to their historic 2014 gains pscot Jan 2017 #121

Yes, indeed oberliner Jan 2017 #136

Maybe we can run Hillary again. Ligyron Jan 2017 #139

Please shoot me before that happens. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #194

The sad thing is that the Republicans have said and done things ... Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #193

As am I pscot Jan 2017 #212

Critique and bashing are two different things, lets stop the needless bashing & lift up people uponit7771 Jan 2017 #36

Sometimes the truth is painful, at least in part. PollyAnna was a Disney Akamai Jan 2017 #195

If its the whole truth so be it but 90% of the bashing is half truth which whole lie uponit7771 Jan 2017 #204

It's probably against the rules to bash the Democratic Party...there are a lot of rules TrekLuver Jan 2017 #48

Yes, the status quo has not worked. alarimer Jan 2017 #162

Hey, we were really enjoying his speech! LisaM Jan 2017 #8

He went from a speech of unity to division. Stupid and unnecessary still_one Jan 2017 #13

Yes, but we would be foolish to throw the baby out with the bath water. His "action plan" Squinch Jan 2017 #40

Where to Invade Next was terrific... bagelsforbreakfast Jan 2017 #9

Trashing? joshcryer Jan 2017 #10

This wasn't the forum to trash Democrats, the DNC, and endorse a DNC chair. still_one Jan 2017 #14

I don't see any such posts trashing him, though. joshcryer Jan 2017 #23

I have to go to the march, but for a speech that started so well, it ended on a divisive note still_one Jan 2017 #26

Here's one Mosby Jan 2017 #144

Wow, like two hours later, omg, mercy. joshcryer Jan 2017 #145

What sammythecat Jan 2017 #188

I tend to agree, although I didn't think his speech today hit the mark fishwax Jan 2017 #16

He's always been accurate and relevant and brutally Greybnk48 Jan 2017 #19

I like him too bdamomma Jan 2017 #34

I'm going to see if I can volunteer Greybnk48 Jan 2017 #102

I've noticed binary thinkers always hate on Moore. Rex Jan 2017 #20

I'm pleased he joined Planned Parenthood today. joshcryer Jan 2017 #24

He needs to be more involved that way. Rex Jan 2017 #25

Surprised he wasn't an endowment member with his disposable income. joshcryer Jan 2017 #39

He probably sees himself as a provocative film maker. Rex Jan 2017 #43

And the Moore-haters here use all the usual right wing attacks on him. QC Jan 2017 #113

I think it is jealousy. Rex Jan 2017 #116

Or serve as a tackling dummy on right wing fake news. n/t QC Jan 2017 #123

That too. nt Rex Jan 2017 #163

This. BlueWI Jan 2017 #168

Yes, in a time when we are desperate for left leaning media. I don't always agree with him. Rex Jan 2017 #169

Agreed. He's not always right. BlueWI Jan 2017 #170

He is far more of an activists than the folks I see poo-pooing on him all the time. Rex Jan 2017 #171

Completely agree. sammythecat Jan 2017 #200

I'm with just about anybody who is against this piece of Trash. But I can still differ TrekLuver Jan 2017 #22

Right on! Rex Jan 2017 #27

Did he ever take it on the chin True Dough Jan 2017 #28

A US Presidential election is a binary event. It's not a brilliant Prediction, its candidate A or stevenleser Jan 2017 #42

Moore guessed the 'why' part about Trump voters early on. Rex Jan 2017 #47

Nope, that is your opinion. There is nothing empirical to suggest that. It's still a coin toss stevenleser Jan 2017 #50

Like your opinion hold more weight than mine. Rex Jan 2017 #75

Nope, this isn't about that. You made a contention, you need to prove it. Nice try. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #78

Again you have no authority over this issue. Rex Jan 2017 #79

All DUers have the authority to ask each other for proof. That has been part of DU from early on. stevenleser Jan 2017 #82

Nope. I am right and you are wrong. Rex Jan 2017 #84

Nope, my only point was that our US presidential elections are binary so a prediction one will win stevenleser Jan 2017 #86

Wrong. Rex Jan 2017 #87

Nope, your idea was opinion, mine was fact. Two candidates, binary. End of story. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #91

Wrong. Rex Jan 2017 #93

Yep, see my #88. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #100

No, steveleser True Dough Jan 2017 #54

Nope, it's still the same odds as a coin toss. Here is what Moore did NOT predict stevenleser Jan 2017 #58

So what? True Dough Jan 2017 #92

The so what is, he predicted a coin toss. Congrats, he said heads and it was heads. stevenleser Jan 2017 #101

And he was one of the few to do it True Dough Jan 2017 #125

Or maybe they DIDN'T Nevernose Jan 2017 #164

So, in essence, you're saying it was more complicated than a coin flip. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #198

Exactly. Those were the major factors, especially the FBI/Comey interference. What you have just still_one Jan 2017 #202

that isn't how odds work fishwax Jan 2017 #69

That is why I said essentially. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #71

yeah, but it's not even close fishwax Jan 2017 #72

Statistically it absolutely is fairly close, even taking into account the worst blowout elections stevenleser Jan 2017 #74

60-40 and 50-50 aren't "basically the same odds" fishwax Jan 2017 #90

Well yeah, but nope! Rex Jan 2017 #95

Sure it is, depending on application and in this one it is, I'll break it down for you. stevenleser Jan 2017 #98

Nope. Completely wrong. Rex Jan 2017 #105

Yep, see my #88. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #107

Nope. For obvious reasons. nt Rex Jan 2017 #109

Yep, see my #88. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #110

Nope. Rex Jan 2017 #112

Yep, see my #88. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #114

Nope. Rex Jan 2017 #117

Yep, see my #88. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #118

Sorry but that post is wrong. Rex Jan 2017 #119

So close! lol RandiFan1290 Jan 2017 #208

That is great, never seen it but love the Rex Jan 2017 #215

You've demonstrated that you can successfully subtract 50 from 60 and 40 from 50 fishwax Jan 2017 #126

You cannot have a real conversation with that one. Rex Jan 2017 #77

Nope, because I ask people to prove their assertions. You can't so you don't like that. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #80

Thanks for proving my point. Rex Jan 2017 #81

Nope, thanks for proving MY point. Which you do more thoroughly with each comment. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #83

Thanks for again proving me right and you wrong. Rex Jan 2017 #85

Thanks again for proving there is nothing to Moores prediction. You keep coming up empty. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #88

Nope. Rex Jan 2017 #89

Yep, see my #88. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #99

Nope. Rex Jan 2017 #103

Yep, see my #88. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #104

Nope. Rex Jan 2017 #106

Yep, see my #88. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #108

Nope. Rex Jan 2017 #111

Fox taught him well. n/t QC Jan 2017 #122

word. KG Jan 2017 #154

Nobody was laying even odds for the fuhrer winning. Lucky Luciano Jan 2017 #73

That's why I said "essentially". nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #76

"Hey, I made you a ham sandwich" NickB79 Jan 2017 #174

No Sir, it is not. Ligyron Jan 2017 #141

No, because many people thought that Clinton had the election in the bag. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #196

+1 QC Jan 2017 #214

You don't have to agree with everything MM says to grantcart Jan 2017 #30

I would agree with that. Smart, heart in the right place, but flawed to the point that he harms stevenleser Jan 2017 #46

So... Plucketeer Jan 2017 #147

If that's your attempt to win logical fallacy of the day, it's yours. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #150

I WIN??? Oh Boy! Plucketeer Jan 2017 #175

I thought he was doing well eleny Jan 2017 #31

Second this!! mchill Jan 2017 #33

Yes. Please stop. GoCubsGo Jan 2017 #35

Long time fan 90-percent Jan 2017 #38

don't forget Bill Maher and Lawrence O'Donnell jodymarie aimee Jan 2017 #55

Oh, I know therre's a lot on the list I forgot 90-percent Jan 2017 #62

GREAT reply.............. MyOwnPeace Jan 2017 #61

Agree, great reply. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2017 #70

At a women's march, shouldn't men mostly be listening? oberliner Jan 2017 #44

He is a strong feminist and his speech was important. We need to Hound congress and run for office. JudyM Jan 2017 #52

It's not billed as a feminist march, it's billed as a women's march oberliner Jan 2017 #64

Many of us are happy for his participation. JudyM Jan 2017 #65

I'm happy for his participation oberliner Jan 2017 #68

That's an odd attitude to have... TCJ70 Jan 2017 #115

His speech at the WMoW was terrific! The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #51

He just bashed Democrats at a rally that is supposed to bring us together. Walk away Jan 2017 #57

No, he put center-right Dems on notice that the moment demands change. slumcamper Jan 2017 #128

I have been an active Democrat for 50 years. Several members of my family work... Walk away Jan 2017 #217

. Iggo Jan 2017 #149

yeah, he's been right on heaven05 Jan 2017 #60

65 rec about a thread upset about a non-existent trashing of Moore... joshcryer Jan 2017 #94

71 Rex Jan 2017 #96

not that many, as it devolved for abit into 2 kids swatting at each other!! jodymarie aimee Jan 2017 #137

--and "the old guard of the democratic party has got to go" slumcamper Jan 2017 #120

Amen. truebluegreen Jan 2017 #127

Very well said malaise Jan 2017 #129

Well said. Barbara2423 Jan 2017 #130

Too bad...nt SidDithers Jan 2017 #132

BRAVA!!! KNR secondwind Jan 2017 #133

Some people hate anyone lillypaddle Jan 2017 #134

He has one message. Period. Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #135

the time for purity is over for now. mopinko Jan 2017 #140

Yes, and I'm tired of people trashing Bernie too. Hilary lost to vote suppression in swing states, diane in sf Jan 2017 #142

He, Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher have fired up the base of late yuiyoshida Jan 2017 #146

Me, too. Iggo Jan 2017 #148

I'm not... SaschaHM Jan 2017 #151

He's not a leader JustAnotherGen Jan 2017 #152

I LOVE Michael Moore Skittles Jan 2017 #153

Me too. sammythecat Jan 2017 #216

Thank you for this! MelissaB Jan 2017 #155

They don't like him because he was the first to warn that Trump would win. alarimer Jan 2017 #161

Hear, hear! zentrum Jan 2017 #165

Me too Lotusflower70 Jan 2017 #166

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #167

I have had it with trashing {Insert Name Here} nini Jan 2017 #172

He's great except for... El Supremo Jan 2017 #176

Look I don't like or trust Michael Moore but underthematrix Jan 2017 #177

Michael Moore wants to throw the democratic leadership and half the party out of office BlueStateLib Jan 2017 #179

Well, considering we fully control only six states... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #180

A better strategy is to go after Republicans rather trying to defeat Democrtats and BlueStateLib Jan 2017 #209

Who Get's To Stay Michael Moore? otohara Jan 2017 #182

I don't always agree with him, but I always believe his heart is in the right place. spooky3 Jan 2017 #184

People been trashing him on DU since the Bush era Generic Other Jan 2017 #185

Who here was trashing Michael Moore? Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #189

Suggesting that the march was the wrong time and place for saying the leaders of the Democratic betsuni Jan 2017 #199

I've loved him since I saw Roger & Me sarah FAILIN Jan 2017 #201

He does criticize our party. HassleCat Jan 2017 #203

It appears you have had it with trashing Michael Moore. AngryAmish Jan 2017 #205

Sorry, but the Democratic party does need trashing. Oneironaut Jan 2017 #210

The Left Trashing Hillary Worked Out So Well otohara Jan 2017 #213

"trashing" for what purpose? JHan Jan 2017 #218

Michael Moore Soxfan58 Jan 2017 #211

Michael Moore was prescient about how the rust belt might support Trump andym Jan 2017 #219